Why would someone do this?

IFVandal · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:10 am Post subject: Why would someone do this?

Don't know if this is the right section to post in but it involves a 61 so I am posting here... (feel free to move). So i picked up two split buses the other day and the guy gave me his stash of other vw parts. One is a "frame" that appears to have come from a 1961 beetle. However it appears that someone other than the past owner mounted a type 3 beam to the front.

Any experiences on this? Is the type 3 beam wider?

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cn63bug · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

I didn't know that a type 3 beam would bolt up to a type 1. But, if I had to hazard a guess, maybe they wanted the ability to raise or lower the front without welding in adjusters?

Max Welton · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

Are you sure it isn't a type-3 chassis?

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KTPhil · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

Wow, four bolts through a hollow stamped axle frame? You can see the dents in the frame from torqueing them down. Or maybe from going over bumps? One has already pulled out.

I think I see a shift coupler cover at the rear of the tunnel, so I think Type 1.

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Yikes!

grandpa pete · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

someone wanted the type 3 brakes all the way around...
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anthracitedub · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

I would imagine that this mod is what rendered this chassis to the condition it is now.

Bryan67 · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

That is a Type 1 pan and I would NOT recommend using that beam on it.
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ashley froud · Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

Dear sir; The type 3 axle on that type 1 chassis is indeed a factory installation. I had one myself in 1974 on a 67 beetle. The spring broke while I was in Iowa, and I traded a VW employee even steven, on a 66 to get home to Chicago. We were both happy with the deal. He put it on the rack, and it had rusted along the bottom seam. I think it is an unusual front beam, but it is factory. I loved that yellow 67 beetle. Smile

P.S. Thank you for those photos, I looked all day for a pic of that oddball beam axle. I thought I was getting "old timer's" disease. And i'm only 63. Very Happy

EVfun · Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

That beam is factory -- for a Type 3. They where not installed on Beetles by VW ever. You can actually see how it doesn't fit on the frame head properly and how tightening the bolts is crushing it.
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KTPhil · Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

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I'd do it to make a pan that was missing its front end easy to shuffle around.

ashley froud · Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

Gentlemen The front beam on the type 1 chassis is NOT a type 3 ! It only looks like a Type 3. It is a rare alternate type 1. When compared with a type 3, you can see the difference.

grandpa pete · Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

Type3 beam ;

I am working on a project that uses a Type 3 engine . I was thinking of using the fully automatic transmission . That would have given me a 4 lug rear end . If I wanted the front disc brakes and the matching 4 lug in the front I would have had to adapt the type 3 front end . I can see how this might have been one way to go .
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mukluk · Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

ashley froud · Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

No. I can only tell you what I saw when I was 21 years old, and stood under the rack and saw a scene that burned it's self in to my mind, that is still fresh these 42 years later. This yellow beetle had NOT been tampered with after factory. Some BEETLES did come with this beam axle, not many perhaps, but some DID. The pic in this blog show one. This was a FACTORY installation.

KTPhil · Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

You use this pic to prove that SOME had it, and then say because SOME had it, that THIS one was factory.

Google "tautology"

ashley froud · Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

I don't say prove, I only contribute my observations and experience.

KTPhil · Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Why would someone do this?

Look, I'm not trying to bust your balls, honestly. But a claim of something that no one else has ever seen, and that has no known documentation in this age of find-it-all-on-the-internet, is just not credible without evidence.

The photo in question reveals a visible dent indicating weakness in the upper driver side bolt. Also, knowing that of necessity the Type 3 beam is hollow there, and could not have the strength to support the weight, just makes it implausible.


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