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BFB
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this is a little trail buggy i built a couple years ago. had a turbocharged type 4 1700, 3 rib, and 228 mm flywheel. i had to do some clearancing to get the flywheel to fit and modify the flywheel for short trans input shaft bearing location.
with the low gearing and large flywheel you couldn't hardly stall the engine if u wanted to, i accidentally took off in 3rd a couple times. it sure wasn't like 1st but ive never had another buggy that would do that |
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p0rschenut69
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:26 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 Power! |
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| Side view of my project. Thanks for the informative posted on this thread, it was a big help! |
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p0rschenut69
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:14 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 Power! |
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Some more pics of my Baja which uses Twin Weber 40 IDF EMPI style Carbs and a 200 mm Kennedy Flywheel with a Cip1 200mm diaphragm clutch.
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p0rschenut69
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:02 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 Power! |
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| My VW Beetle Baja with T4 Porsche 914 power |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Power! |
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When my manual came out in 1992 it was Jack Raby, Joe of Oregon Performance , FAT Performance and me with my manual up against the T-1 guys.
They had no clue as to what a T-4 was, all they knew was it burned out in heavy loaded buses.
My first drive, the clutch holding power was what I noticed first, then the constant torque.
Now I am not alone on the T-4 mission, I got you guys. Ha!!!!
Like Jake and I once said after debates after debates, " you just have to drive one to understand ".
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Vanapplebomb
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Power! |
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This is the system I made from factory T4 heater boxes cut down to the cores. Then just a header I found for 20 bucks (dented and rusty, this 20 bucks), a bend, and stinger. I got the baffle and 3x5 suppertrapp for the end of the stinger...
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Vanapplebomb
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Power! |
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You could easy do that, yeah. The manifolds are factory for 75-78 bus engines. I don't particularly like them, but they will work fine. Just add your own custom tubing to the ends and your all set.
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Manx Lee
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Baja Rabbit with Type 4 power and Type 1 based suspension.
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I like the exhaust I wonder if that would work on my Manx? |
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flashho
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Power! |
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Vanapplebomb
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VW bug/bus transmissions do not need to have the input shaft length changed.
Short (bug and pre 72 bus) or long (72 and later bus) will both work. T4 engines have the pilot pressed into the crankshaft, which is farther back than the pilot in a T1 gland nut. That is why Transmissions original equipped with T4 engines have longer input shafts. If the transmission has a short input shaft, the pilot bearing needs to be moved forward so that it sits flush with the face of the flywheel. This will allow it to fully support the short input shafts. Sometimes it fits well in the flywheel, other times the flywheel needs to be opened up slightly so that the bearing can be pressed into it. Not a huge deal though. That is the only modification necessary.
Do note that Porsche 914 flywheels have the ring gear situated a little different and thus will not engage well with starters in bug/bus transmissions. Best thing to do is replace the flywheel with one from a 411/412 or bus
T4 flywheels let you run larger clutches. They have more holding power than factory T1 clutches, don't wear out as fast as aftermarket high pressure T1 clutches, and do not increase the pedal effort any. 210mm and 215mm clutches fit all 12 volt bell housings with zero modifications. The large 228mm clutches often have minor interference with 12 volt bug bell housings. They can be carefully clearanced, but I wouldn't bother. No issues what so ever with a 6 rib bus transmission, but they fit well on pretty much all bus bell housings. That said, if you can fit it, the 228mm clutch is a darn good clutch. Gobs of holding power and lasts as long as any stock clutch.
Not a whole lot to making them fit. Just be aware of what size clutch you have and if your input shaft is long or short.
Aftermarket conversion flywheels are available with a pilot pressed into the center and use the small 200mm. I wouldn't bother though. Used T4 flywheels are inexpensive. Resurfacing used flywheels at an automotive machine shop shouldn't cost much more than $30. And, unless you are doing some hardcore racing or running at some wicked rpm, the stock cast iron flywheels are plenty durable. Some of the 228mm ones are forged and will hold up to darn near about anything. T4 engines never really caught on in America, but they are the go to street engine in Europe for performance. A lot of those guys are running around 250hp natural aspirated ponies. Add +100hp with a turbo to that figure. Many of them run lightened stock flywheels. If they can get away with it without them coming apart, pretty much everyone should be good to go with factory flywheels.
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So, not reading any other thread:
T4 to 113 application requires no mod to the input shaft?
I know that T4 on 002 requires a shorter input shaft.[/quote]
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you and your type four power plants  |
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