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Schepp
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@vturabaja
These are the part numbers from the Bilstein catalog.
if sticking with the stock mounting locations the one for the stock link-pin frontend should bolt in no problem. same with the rear.
Here's where to buy valve stacks and rebuild parts:
There's a video on their page on the full process for rebuilding/revalving them yourself.
https://www.wheeleveryweekend.com/products/7100-valving
Home rebuildable was a huge selling point for me in getting the 7100 series.
Take note that the VW specific shocks are a special order item. My front shocks for the ball joint beam took 8 months for Bilstein to make them!
But that was also during the beginning of covid.
wheeleveryweekend.com should be able to order anything from Bilstein for you. Give them a call or send them an email. Nice folks. |
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vturabaja
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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All,
I have done my best to research without posting. I have a 63 Baja bug, stock front suspension and stock rear suspension. I'd like to order new shocks (the current shocks are shot).
I am hoping to order Bilstein 7100 with reservoir but I am having a hard time determining what the right part number is for my length and valving.
Front: 16.25" Extended, 11" Compressed
Rear: 16.25" Extended, 10.75" Compressed
The car is approx the stock weight of a 63 bug.
I will be driving the bug around town and on fire roads, hopping curbs, along the train tracks etc, it will NOT be a race car but it will be driven with haste. I am not doing 3x3 or any other suspension mods. Just want the car to be stock geo so it's reliable and I can just... drive it. Would love a period correct shock. Bilsteins rock.
Current contenders:
-Bilstein F4-B46-0930-H0, the Bilstein 7100 Classic. No resi, not rebuildable. Is the valving correct for a stock bug?
-Bilstein B46-0493VW. No resi, but valved correctly for a stock bug.
-Bilstein B46-1085R. Resi, rebuildable, 2" too long extended.
Is there a 7100 variant that will work for my car?
Thanks so much in advance. Hoping for a high quality shock that will be valved correctly and dissipate heat well with a resi. Here's a pic of my car 
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john_aero
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:30 am Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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Just going through this thread an looking for a clarification
For a "Class 11" style buy, indexed rear irs and 2" cut and turn front, do stock shock lengths work or is it worth going longer?
Also when doing the cut and index I presume the preload increases giving a stiffer ride. Is there a suggested shock that works in conjunction that helps smoother/soften the ride instead of adding more stiffness/harshness |
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pickuptrucker
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:40 am Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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Schepp
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Double-Double
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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| dirtkeeper wrote: |
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| Is there a correlation between lift amount in the back and additional shock length needed or does it not work that way? I.e. 2 lift via preload and need 2 longer shocks? |
I would suggest that there is a correlation but not direct.
One Is the shock is not at the wheel location and because the wheel is farther out and there are angles involved the wheel travel is greater than the shock travel.
Two Until you start to notch the spring plates you do not need a longer than stock shock |
Thanks! I figured there is probably some Pythagorean theorem for figuring it out. I have the Atomwerk 2 raise plates so I will have to play it by ear and measure when I get them on and do the cycle up and down thing. |
Well I think with the raised plates , that Will extend the downward travel and lowest location of your shock mounts / trailing arms similar to notching the spring plates. You will have to check you final travel to see what will fit . Both compressed and extended. To be honest I think this is a little different on every individual vehicle. Mine is different even side to side, I think because of twisted tranny forks, and other bent or worn parts . I found , after only testing one side to find shock travel needed that when put the same shock on both sides that the one side had the extra 1/2 travel, beyond the stop limit that I intended. That the other side only had about a 1/8 extra travel . Both sides had exactly the same spring plate notch. |
Yeah I figured I would just treat the raise plates as a factory notched plate with a little extra mass and strength. I dont know if anyone else on here has even run them. I will definitely not throw away my factory plates haha. Just trying to get a smooth ride in the rear to match my thing front. |
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dirtkeeper
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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| Double-Double wrote: |
| dirtkeeper wrote: |
| Double-Double wrote: |
| Is there a correlation between lift amount in the back and additional shock length needed or does it not work that way? I.e. 2 lift via preload and need 2 longer shocks? |
I would suggest that there is a correlation but not direct.
One Is the shock is not at the wheel location and because the wheel is farther out and there are angles involved the wheel travel is greater than the shock travel.
Two Until you start to notch the spring plates you do not need a longer than stock shock |
Thanks! I figured there is probably some Pythagorean theorem for figuring it out. I have the Atomwerk 2 raise plates so I will have to play it by ear and measure when I get them on and do the cycle up and down thing. |
Well I think with the raised plates , that Will extend the downward travel and lowest location of your shock mounts / trailing arms similar to notching the spring plates. You will have to check you final travel to see what will fit . Both compressed and extended. To be honest I think this is a little different on every individual vehicle. Mine is different even side to side, I think because of twisted tranny forks, and other bent or worn parts . I found , after only testing one side to find shock travel needed that when put the same shock on both sides that the one side had the extra 1/2 travel, beyond the stop limit that I intended. That the other side only had about a 1/8 extra travel . Both sides had exactly the same spring plate notch. |
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Double-Double
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:47 am Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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| dirtkeeper wrote: |
| Double-Double wrote: |
| Is there a correlation between lift amount in the back and additional shock length needed or does it not work that way? I.e. 2 lift via preload and need 2 longer shocks? |
I would suggest that there is a correlation but not direct.
One Is the shock is not at the wheel location and because the wheel is farther out and there are angles involved the wheel travel is greater than the shock travel.
Two Until you start to notch the spring plates you do not need a longer than stock shock |
Thanks! I figured there is probably some Pythagorean theorem for figuring it out. I have the Atomwerk 2 raise plates so I will have to play it by ear and measure when I get them on and do the cycle up and down thing. |
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dirtkeeper
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:59 am Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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| Is there a correlation between lift amount in the back and additional shock length needed or does it not work that way? I.e. 2 lift via preload and need 2 longer shocks? |
I would suggest that there is a correlation but not direct.
One Is the shock is not at the wheel location and because the wheel is farther out and there are angles involved the wheel travel is greater than the shock travel.
Two Until you start to notch the spring plates you do not need a longer than stock shock |
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Double-Double
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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| Is there a correlation between lift amount in the back and additional shock length needed or does it not work that way? I.e. 2 lift via preload and need 2 longer shocks? |
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Panzerschreck
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:16 am Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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I just bought a set of Bilsteins for my 72 Baja, mail order deal, the rears are correct but the fronts are not even close. Part number 24-006200 is what it calls for in the catalog and pretty much any where else I look, but they are 3" shorter than what I have now and the stud on the top of the shock wouldn't work even if it was the right length. Good luck getting any one to talk to you where I bought them from (shockwarehouse.com, buyer beware)
Anybody out there have any suggestions? |
What specs do you have now? Do the shocks you have measure up to what they should? |
I got it figured out, just a lack of knowledge on my part with ball joint shocks. They are the correct shocks, I just had to order the mounting stuff that goes on the end of the shaft |
What kit did you end up purchasing for the Bilsteins? |
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Mikedrevguy
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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| MotoMike wrote: |
| Mikedrevguy wrote: |
| MotoMike wrote: |
I just bought a set of Bilsteins for my 72 Baja, mail order deal, the rears are correct but the fronts are not even close. Part number 24-006200 is what it calls for in the catalog and pretty much any where else I look, but they are 3" shorter than what I have now and the stud on the top of the shock wouldn't work even if it was the right length. Good luck getting any one to talk to you where I bought them from (shockwarehouse.com, buyer beware)
Anybody out there have any suggestions? |
What specs do you have now? Do the shocks you have measure up to what they should? |
I got it figured out, just a lack of knowledge on my part with ball joint shocks. They are the correct shocks, I just had to order the mounting stuff that goes on the end of the shaft |
Post pics. Id be I ter3sted to see what the issue was.
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MotoMike
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:47 am Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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| MotoMike wrote: |
I just bought a set of Bilsteins for my 72 Baja, mail order deal, the rears are correct but the fronts are not even close. Part number 24-006200 is what it calls for in the catalog and pretty much any where else I look, but they are 3" shorter than what I have now and the stud on the top of the shock wouldn't work even if it was the right length. Good luck getting any one to talk to you where I bought them from (shockwarehouse.com, buyer beware)
Anybody out there have any suggestions? |
What specs do you have now? Do the shocks you have measure up to what they should? |
I got it figured out, just a lack of knowledge on my part with ball joint shocks. They are the correct shocks, I just had to order the mounting stuff that goes on the end of the shaft |
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dirtkeeper
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| Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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| MotoMike wrote: |
I just bought a set of Bilsteins for my 72 Baja, mail order deal, the rears are correct but the fronts are not even close. Part number 24-006200 is what it calls for in the catalog and pretty much any where else I look, but they are 3" shorter than what I have now and the stud on the top of the shock wouldn't work even if it was the right length. Good luck getting any one to talk to you where I bought them from (shockwarehouse.com, buyer beware)
Anybody out there have any suggestions? |
The front bilstein s. On mine are B46-0493VW |
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Mikedrevguy
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| Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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I just bought a set of Bilsteins for my 72 Baja, mail order deal, the rears are correct but the fronts are not even close. Part number 24-006200 is what it calls for in the catalog and pretty much any where else I look, but they are 3" shorter than what I have now and the stud on the top of the shock wouldn't work even if it was the right length. Good luck getting any one to talk to you where I bought them from (shockwarehouse.com, buyer beware)
Anybody out there have any suggestions? |
What specs do you have now? Do the shocks you have measure up to what they should?
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MotoMike
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| Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:56 am Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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I just bought a set of Bilsteins for my 72 Baja, mail order deal, the rears are correct but the fronts are not even close. Part number 24-006200 is what it calls for in the catalog and pretty much any where else I look, but they are 3" shorter than what I have now and the stud on the top of the shock wouldn't work even if it was the right length. Good luck getting any one to talk to you where I bought them from (shockwarehouse.com, buyer beware)
Anybody out there have any suggestions? |
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Sqrbckguy38
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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Is there a company that sells the springs on the coilover shocks in a higher lbs rating? I'm guessing they are not a very stiff spring right? I'm looking to be able to hold a lot more weight than a beetle was probably ever meant to.
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dustymojave
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| Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:42 am Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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I'm trying to determine which direction to go with my Baja build and naturally money plays into this decision.
The Bug has 3 x 3 arms on the rear and 1 1/2 x 3/4" front arms I need a ballpark price on King or Fox coilover shocks to fit this car.
Any help would be appreciated,
Jerry.... |
Does it have existing shocks that you want to replace? Does the car have shock mounts built? Or are you looking to build mounts to fit?
If it has existing shocks, you will need to take those off and measure full extended length mounting bolt to mounting bolt.
If it doesn't have current shocks, but has mounts, you will need to measure the distance from upper to lower mount extended, and compressed (bottomed out against the stop).
If you don't have existing mounts...You need a fabricator to figure out where to mount the shocks and figure out what travel length shocks you want. If not capable of doing that yourself, and your question here suggests that you are not, then you need a professional to do it for you.
Shocks are available from many sources. Kartek is one.
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lostinbaja
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| Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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I'm trying to determine which direction to go with my Baja build and naturally money plays into this decision.
The Bug has 3 x 3 arms on the rear and 1 1/2 x 3/4" front arms I need a ballpark price on King or Fox coilover shocks to fit this car.
Any help would be appreciated,
Jerry....
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ringotuna
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 6:34 am Post subject: Re: SHOCKS SHOCKS SHOCKS |
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I need advice on mounting coil over rear shocks on my rail.
Should I lift the rear end off the ground before mounting?
Should I mount the shocks fully extended or somewhat compressed?
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