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52 split Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2007 Posts: 150 Location: the best island in the world, vancouver island
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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i believe Bob Cropsey has a list going and you can get a hoffman badge for your car from him or at least you could. maybe that link could be in the sticky section for his site? what say Ev. |
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Jimone Samba Member
Joined: August 01, 2021 Posts: 371 Location: Kansas
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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mine is also new york delivery and therefore a hoffman. i tried messaging wiggy about it a year or two ago and never heard back. i tried official contact through the registry as well as messaging on here. _________________ november 1952 ragtop
november 1954 single cab |
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makin_vw Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2011 Posts: 62 Location: san martin CA
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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Schwing wrote: |
Is Wiggy still tracking the list of Hoffman's or can somebody share the latest list? I sold a 50 which turned out to be a Hoffman, and they bought another 50 which I believe to be a Hoffman. I should receive the birth cert this week, was just curious and also I would like to add to the list.
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im curious as well, and I think I know the 50 you are saying, is he going to do a thread update on it? i know he started one?
-Matt A |
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Schwing Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2009 Posts: 2506 Location: Centreville, MD
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billiejohnson Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2011 Posts: 57 Location: denver co,
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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1952 split 11c
Vin 1-0364755
Engine 1-0441395
Ordered certificate, now just waiting to confirm.
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Joshua B Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2004 Posts: 273 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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Interesting. Can you tell if yours is laminated or tempered? Also did your car come with the late '52 to early '53 American/Canadian style of sealed beam headlights with the "euro" style buckets? |
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vwcooker Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2005 Posts: 56
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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Mine has the Sekurit logo in the lower left corner. |
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billmetric Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2006 Posts: 1061 Location: Columbus City USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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My June '52 Hoffman Standard has non laminated but tempered Sekurit glass with the logo in the upper left drivers side readable from outside matching the other 4 side windows, rear glass panes have no temper logos, some states in '52 may have required laminated glass such as Pennsylvania but PA also would not allow sales of VWs type of single mechanical brake system (without independent park brakes) which made Standard models unacceptable for sale at the time _________________ There is an idea of a Billmetric; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me: only an entity, something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable... I simply am not there... |
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parker007 Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2011 Posts: 132 Location: california
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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what is original glass? my oct 52 has duraplate |
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Joshua B Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2004 Posts: 273 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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Any of you guys with all original Hoffman splits still have what you believe to be the original windshields in them? Since they are US imports I would believe they had to have a laminate and not a tempered windshield. Was wondering if they had any logos on them. My '52 Zwitter has all the original Sekurit glass except the windshield, which isn't uncommon. I would believe the windshield to be a later replacement. The windshield is a laminate windshield with Safetee PLATE written on the lower corner. Anyone out there with an original?
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2002 Posts: 3
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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From what I've been seeing the current wait time is 5-6 months. I've had my request in for right at 3 months. I'll let you know. |
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vwcooker Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2005 Posts: 56
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:39 am Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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Agreed, but its looking good. Anyone know the current wait time for birth certificates is?
Oh...and obviously it has radials on it, lol. Bias plys going on soon. |
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52HoffmanSplit Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2006 Posts: 1272 Location: Lamorinda CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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Great Car! Only a birth certificate will tell you for certain if it's a Hoffman. After 65+ years any and all of these things could have been changed/updated. _________________ DB
9/1950 Hoffman Standard
11/1966 Porsche 912
10/1966 Porsche 912
7/1968 Type 265 Double Cab
10/1958 Type 117 |
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vwcooker Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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Early evidence is pointing to that I have just acquired a Hoffman Standard Oval Dash Zwitter split. Very OG car. L21 grey with one exterior re-spray. Interior is OG paint. Chrome bumpers, chrome window winders with black knobs, MPH speedo, brown dash knobs, chrome door handles. Has the late 52-early 53 with wingnut air cleaner (see pics) so no Cyclone, but obviously OG. Hub caps were the only parts missing from the car, so not sure if they were chrome but its looking likely based on the other items. Wheels are stamped '52 and have what appears to be Poppy Red under the grey re-spay. Engine number comes back as 12/52 and the VIN is -1-0413679. Odometer reads almost dead on 40,000k and based on a factory air cleaner, I'm willing to bet thats OG miles. Has black wipers...is that still an unsolved mystery?
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FRK Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2002 Posts: 2652 Location: Orange county, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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52 split wrote: |
well my take would be the side moldings where added. you can the holes are mostly even in your pic. the last two factory holes are closer together by the quarter window. |
I agree with you. The holes on my standard are perfectly straight/spaced and the only different thing is the missing two factory holes that are closer towards the rear of the rear quarter panel.
I think the Beetle was born as a regular standard and when Max Hoffman order a Standard he requested M-Code 001 (The Chrome Package). That’s when VW took a complete standard and installed chrome bumpers, hubcaps, door handles, body trim, etc..
Anyone have more information regarding this?? _________________ 64 Ghia
55 Kab
50 11G
50 11A
49 11
48 11
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52 split Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2007 Posts: 150 Location: the best island in the world, vancouver island
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:08 am Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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well my take would be the side moldings where added. you can the holes are mostly even in your pic. the last two factory holes are closer together by the quarter window. |
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FRK Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2002 Posts: 2652 Location: Orange county, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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Does anyone knows the meaning of “Trim Strips” on M code 001 found on some of the Hoffman standard’s birth certificate? _________________ 64 Ghia
55 Kab
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50 11A
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FRK Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2002 Posts: 2652 Location: Orange county, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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Here’s my 9/1/50 Hoffman.
_________________ 64 Ghia
55 Kab
50 11G
50 11A
49 11
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52 split Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2007 Posts: 150 Location: the best island in the world, vancouver island
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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well then I guess ill treat my car with a little more respect. |
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OGTURBO59 Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2015 Posts: 4 Location: Pasadena
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Hoffman Cars - Ok.. and Im looking for Information.. :) |
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52HoffmanSplit wrote: |
52 split wrote: |
alright we all now know all 50-dec 52 splits that were imported through NY are Hoffman cars.i really would like to know what the big deal is. is a Hoffman car worth more than say a 50 -52 that was imported through the gray market or brought over by a service man, some seem to think so. a split is a split no matter who the importer was.i see nothing special. please fill me in. thanks |
From Earlier in the thread: In 1952 604 were imported into the US, 930 in 1953... in fact between January of 1950 and Dec 1953 Max Hoffman Motor Cars imported just under 2000 VW's.
There were 435,363 total Type 11/15's made in that time period and about 0.4% were sold in the US. That's pretty much why we think they are special. |
Thanks for all the info...
I wonder how many of the 604 imported in 1952 were Zwitters.... |
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