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Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:30 pm

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Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:21 pm

ach60 wrote: norcalmike wrote: Cali_Army_Guy wrote: Can this be used as a work around to avoid back fees?

For example,
I have a car in a barn that's not on non op. Has about $900 in back fees. Car HAS a CA title. Can I pretend it doesn't and do a bill of sale to myself and send it to Vermont? Get the reg and plates from there and turn around and transfer it back to a CA title? Would it pop up in the CA system as having back fees from before? Or would I simply just pay the transfer fee and get my new registration thus avoiding the $900 in back reg?

If the car was legitimately stored on private property without being parked driven or towed on any public strret or highway, you can get the back fees waved.

here is the law as written. I have used this many times. IF the clerk tells you no, Ask for a supervisor.
you may need the PO to do a statemant of facts to decalre the vehicle was stored on private property while the registration was expired

(a) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision (d), prior to
the expiration of the registration of a vehicle, if that
registration is not to be renewed prior to its expiration, the owner
of the vehicle shall file, under penalty of perjury, a certification
that the vehicle will not be operated, moved, or left standing upon a
highway without first making an application for registration of the
vehicle, including full payment of all fees. The certification is
valid until the vehicle's registration is renewed pursuant to
subdivision (c).
(b) Each certification filed pursuant to subdivision (a) shall be
accompanied by a filing fee of fifteen dollars ($15).
(c) (1) An application for renewal of registration, except when
accompanied by an application for transfer of title to, or an
interest in, the vehicle, shall be submitted to the department with
payment of the required fees for the current registration year and
without penalty for delinquent payment of fees imposed under this
code or under Part 5 (commencing with Section 10701) of Division 2 of
the Revenue and Taxation Code if the department receives the
application prior to or on the date the vehicle is first operated,
moved, or left standing upon a highway during the current
registration year and the certification required pursuant to
subdivision (a) was timely filed with the department.
(2) If an application for renewal of registration is accompanied
by an application for transfer of title, that application may be made
without incurring a penalty for delinquent payment of fees not later
than 20 days after the date the vehicle is first operated, moved, or
left standing on a highway if a certification pursuant to
subdivision (a) was timely filed with the department.
(d) A certification is not required to be filed pursuant to
subdivision (a) for one or more of the following:
(1) A vehicle on which the registration expires while being held
as inventory by a dealer or lessor-retailer or while being held
pending a lien sale by the keeper of a garage or operator of a towing
service.
(2) A vehicle registered pursuant to Article 4 (commencing with
Section 8050) of Chapter 4 of Division 3.
(3) A vehicle described in Section 5004, 5004.5, or 5051, as
provided in Section 4604.2. However, the registered owner may file a
certificate of nonoperation in lieu of the certification specified in
subdivision (a).
(4) A vehicle registered pursuant to Article 5 (commencing with
Section 9700) of Chapter 6 if the registered owner has complied with
subdivision (c) of Section 9706.
(e) Notwithstanding Section 670, for purposes of this section, a
"vehicle" is a device by which a person or property may be propelled,
moved, or driven upon a highway having intact and assembled its
major component parts including, but not limited to, the frame or
chassis, cowl, and floor pan or, in the case of a trailer, the frame
and wheels or, in the case of a motorcycle, the frame, front fork,
and engine. For purposes of this section, "vehicle" does not include
a device moved exclusively by human power, a device used exclusively
upon stationary rails or tracks, or a motorized wheelchair.

5051 collector

(a) "Collector" is the owner of one or more vehicles described in
Section 5004 or of one or more special interest vehicles, as defined
in this article, who collects, purchases, acquires, trades, or
disposes of the vehicle, or parts thereof, for his or her own use, in
order to preserve, restore, and maintain the vehicle for hobby or
historical purposes.

OR if the $900 in back fees is not your back fees, then you fill out a statement of facts.
Statement of facts will explain the condition that you bought the car with existing back fees.
Back fees are not yours, you're not going to have to pay them.
California is another money state, all they really want is the money.
If the DMV finds a clear record on the title history of the car, they will process the car, and wave back fees.
Back penalty fees are easy with a statement of facts. with collector exemption, you can wave back registration as well. collectors are PNO exempt

Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:00 pm

Is this a new requirement ?

All used vehicles with out of state titles being registered/titled in the applicant’s name for the first time are required to procure a VIN verification, unless purchased directly from a licensed dealer.

edit,

VIN Verifications Out-of-State

VIN verifications completed out-of-state are to be examined by motor vehicle officials or state-level law enforcement officials, or by personnel authorized by that state to perform VIN verifications. Military personnel may have the VIN verification completed by the Commanding Officer or Provost Marshal of the military base. VIN verifications performed out-of-state must be accompanied by a letter of identification of the agent on their department or agency's official letterhead and are subject to approval by the Vermont Commissioner of Motor Vehicles.

https://dmv.vermont.gov/tax-title/vehicle-identification-number-vin

Any of you Vermont Title Loop Hole people have to go through the VIN verification before? this a new thing?

Edit three, who knows if this is up to date due to the nature of government sites but

How can I get a VIN verification during COVID?

VIN verifications are currently waived except for salvage vehicles, foreign titles, or vehicles requiring temporary registration.

Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:11 am

Vin verification has always been needed for over 500cc. Can be done by your local law officer. VT have the form on their site for it.

Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:50 am

Here in Georgia it was a simple call to the local police. An officer showed up about 10 minutes later, looked at the tunnel stamp and handed me a form to take to the tag office. Easy.

Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:35 pm

Hey I need some help.. Thanks in advance! My son and I just bought a 1966 11 window bus. Its has been stored in a shipping container for 18 years. We bought it with only a bill of sale no title. He bought with a large group of other cars...We are in southern California and was wonder what is the best route to go to get the title. I've searched and know we need a Vin check from out local PD. After that what paper work do we need for DMV or can we do it at AAA. Thanks.

Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:00 pm

A new twist...

Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:37 am

It’s about time. Text version for those who have real lives and don’t want to watch wanker videos

Quote: For many years, Vermont's distinct green license plate has been a common sight far beyond the borders of the New England state. Not necessarily because hordes of Vermonters are commonly traversing the country, but because the state's DMV allowed anyone in America to register a car there, even if they didn't live in the state. You didn't even need to go to Vermont to make it happen.

Those days are over. As first reported by The Autopian, the Vermont DMV closed this loophole on July 1st. Now if someone out-of-state wants to register a car in Vermont, they'll have to go to a DMV in their state and have an official fill out a form certifying that the state in question doesn't require a car to be registered there. Additionally, the Vermont DMV now says that it "will not process this/these transaction(s) unless or until the owner of the subject vehicle can establish a legitimate connection to the state of Vermont." In short, the fun's over.

Vermont became an appealing place to register a car because it was cheap and easy. If you paid the $76 registration fee and the state's 6-percent sales tax on either the purchase price or NADA trade-in value of your car (whichever was higher, $500 minimum), you were golden.

There were other reasons. For vehicles over 15 years old, Vermont didn't require a title, just a bill-of-sale, making it a good option for road-registering project cars, barn finds, and the like. Vermont has annual safety inspections, and any car registered to the state is required to pass inspection. But if you registered a car and never drove in Vermont, you didn't really need to get an inspection. So if your car wouldn't pass inspection elsewhere for whatever reason, Vermont could be a savior. The state also didn't require proof-of-insurance or a driver's license to register a car either.

For years, there seemed to be some sort of peace between Vermont and those out-of-state car owners who took advantage of its DMV. After all, it must have been a pretty decent revenue source for the state. But recently, more and more people started to take advantage of the Vermont DMV's lax policies for more nefarious purposes. The deputy commissioner for the DMV told The Autopian that a number of people were using Vermont to register stolen cars. Additionally, the state's DMV offices saw an increase of "runners" who would arrive to get paperwork to register multiple cars. These "runners" were often belligerent to staff to the point where the state started stationing police officers at DMV stations. Florida also put out a fraud alert last year, and began requiring those with Vermont registrations to prove residence in that state before obtaining a Florida title. One also imagines uninsured and/or unlicensed drivers taking advantage of Vermont's old policies.

What was once an open secret among car enthusiasts got out, and it created way too many headaches for the state of Vermont. It's understandable why the state wanted this gaping loophole closed. On balance, it's probably a good thing. We don't need more stolen cars and reckless activity on the roads.

Source - Road and Track magazine, Chris Perkins , Senior Reporter 2023

Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:00 am

Abscate wrote: It’s about time. Text version for those who have real lives and don’t want to watch wanker videos

Quote: For many years, Vermont's distinct green license plate has been a common sight far beyond the borders of the New England state. Not necessarily because hordes of Vermonters are commonly traversing the country, but because the state's DMV allowed anyone in America to register a car there, even if they didn't live in the state. You didn't even need to go to Vermont to make it happen.

Those days are over. As first reported by The Autopian, the Vermont DMV closed this loophole on July 1st. Now if someone out-of-state wants to register a car in Vermont, they'll have to go to a DMV in their state and have an official fill out a form certifying that the state in question doesn't require a car to be registered there. Additionally, the Vermont DMV now says that it "will not process this/these transaction(s) unless or until the owner of the subject vehicle can establish a legitimate connection to the state of Vermont." In short, the fun's over.

Vermont became an appealing place to register a car because it was cheap and easy. If you paid the $76 registration fee and the state's 6-percent sales tax on either the purchase price or NADA trade-in value of your car (whichever was higher, $500 minimum), you were golden.

There were other reasons. For vehicles over 15 years old, Vermont didn't require a title, just a bill-of-sale, making it a good option for road-registering project cars, barn finds, and the like. Vermont has annual safety inspections, and any car registered to the state is required to pass inspection. But if you registered a car and never drove in Vermont, you didn't really need to get an inspection. So if your car wouldn't pass inspection elsewhere for whatever reason, Vermont could be a savior. The state also didn't require proof-of-insurance or a driver's license to register a car either.

For years, there seemed to be some sort of peace between Vermont and those out-of-state car owners who took advantage of its DMV. After all, it must have been a pretty decent revenue source for the state. But recently, more and more people started to take advantage of the Vermont DMV's lax policies for more nefarious purposes. The deputy commissioner for the DMV told The Autopian that a number of people were using Vermont to register stolen cars. Additionally, the state's DMV offices saw an increase of "runners" who would arrive to get paperwork to register multiple cars. These "runners" were often belligerent to staff to the point where the state started stationing police officers at DMV stations. Florida also put out a fraud alert last year, and began requiring those with Vermont registrations to prove residence in that state before obtaining a Florida title. One also imagines uninsured and/or unlicensed drivers taking advantage of Vermont's old policies.

What was once an open secret among car enthusiasts got out, and it created way too many headaches for the state of Vermont. It's understandable why the state wanted this gaping loophole closed. On balance, it's probably a good thing. We don't need more stolen cars and reckless activity on the roads.

Source - Road and Track magazine, Chris Perkins , Senior Reporter 2023

The text is appreciated, but calling Steve Lehto a wanker is stupid. He's a good dude doing good things. I watch him nearly every morning with my coffee, and I have a real life.

Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:11 am

cdennisg wrote:

The text is appreciated, but calling Steve Lehto a wanker is stupid. He's a good dude doing good things. I watch him nearly every morning with my coffee, and I have a real life.

X2, his videos are interesting & informative.

Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:01 am

cdennisg wrote: Abscate wrote: It’s about time. Text version for those who have real lives and don’t want to watch wanker videos

Quote: For many years, Vermont's distinct green license plate has been a common sight far beyond the borders of the New England state. Not necessarily because hordes of Vermonters are commonly traversing the country, but because the state's DMV allowed anyone in America to register a car there, even if they didn't live in the state. You didn't even need to go to Vermont to make it happen.

Those days are over. As first reported by The Autopian, the Vermont DMV closed this loophole on July 1st. Now if someone out-of-state wants to register a car in Vermont, they'll have to go to a DMV in their state and have an official fill out a form certifying that the state in question doesn't require a car to be registered there. Additionally, the Vermont DMV now says that it "will not process this/these transaction(s) unless or until the owner of the subject vehicle can establish a legitimate connection to the state of Vermont." In short, the fun's over.

Vermont became an appealing place to register a car because it was cheap and easy. If you paid the $76 registration fee and the state's 6-percent sales tax on either the purchase price or NADA trade-in value of your car (whichever was higher, $500 minimum), you were golden.

There were other reasons. For vehicles over 15 years old, Vermont didn't require a title, just a bill-of-sale, making it a good option for road-registering project cars, barn finds, and the like. Vermont has annual safety inspections, and any car registered to the state is required to pass inspection. But if you registered a car and never drove in Vermont, you didn't really need to get an inspection. So if your car wouldn't pass inspection elsewhere for whatever reason, Vermont could be a savior. The state also didn't require proof-of-insurance or a driver's license to register a car either.

For years, there seemed to be some sort of peace between Vermont and those out-of-state car owners who took advantage of its DMV. After all, it must have been a pretty decent revenue source for the state. But recently, more and more people started to take advantage of the Vermont DMV's lax policies for more nefarious purposes. The deputy commissioner for the DMV told The Autopian that a number of people were using Vermont to register stolen cars. Additionally, the state's DMV offices saw an increase of "runners" who would arrive to get paperwork to register multiple cars. These "runners" were often belligerent to staff to the point where the state started stationing police officers at DMV stations. Florida also put out a fraud alert last year, and began requiring those with Vermont registrations to prove residence in that state before obtaining a Florida title. One also imagines uninsured and/or unlicensed drivers taking advantage of Vermont's old policies.

What was once an open secret among car enthusiasts got out, and it created way too many headaches for the state of Vermont. It's understandable why the state wanted this gaping loophole closed. On balance, it's probably a good thing. We don't need more stolen cars and reckless activity on the roads.

Source - Road and Track magazine, Chris Perkins , Senior Reporter 2023

The text is appreciated, but calling Steve Lehto a wanker is stupid. He's a good dude doing good things. I watch him nearly every morning with my coffee, and I have a real life.

That was a general cloud yelling about text bring much faster than video

Thanks for validating someone who actually does it well for us, I did not watch it , so he fell under my blanket hatred of videos in generall

Off to have a nap, then watch Matlock

Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:25 pm

Abscate wrote: cdennisg wrote: Abscate wrote: It’s about time. Text version for those who have real lives and don’t want to watch wanker videos

Quote: For many years, Vermont's distinct green license plate has been a common sight far beyond the borders of the New England state. Not necessarily because hordes of Vermonters are commonly traversing the country, but because the state's DMV allowed anyone in America to register a car there, even if they didn't live in the state. You didn't even need to go to Vermont to make it happen.

Those days are over. As first reported by The Autopian, the Vermont DMV closed this loophole on July 1st. Now if someone out-of-state wants to register a car in Vermont, they'll have to go to a DMV in their state and have an official fill out a form certifying that the state in question doesn't require a car to be registered there. Additionally, the Vermont DMV now says that it "will not process this/these transaction(s) unless or until the owner of the subject vehicle can establish a legitimate connection to the state of Vermont." In short, the fun's over.

Vermont became an appealing place to register a car because it was cheap and easy. If you paid the $76 registration fee and the state's 6-percent sales tax on either the purchase price or NADA trade-in value of your car (whichever was higher, $500 minimum), you were golden.

There were other reasons. For vehicles over 15 years old, Vermont didn't require a title, just a bill-of-sale, making it a good option for road-registering project cars, barn finds, and the like. Vermont has annual safety inspections, and any car registered to the state is required to pass inspection. But if you registered a car and never drove in Vermont, you didn't really need to get an inspection. So if your car wouldn't pass inspection elsewhere for whatever reason, Vermont could be a savior. The state also didn't require proof-of-insurance or a driver's license to register a car either.

For years, there seemed to be some sort of peace between Vermont and those out-of-state car owners who took advantage of its DMV. After all, it must have been a pretty decent revenue source for the state. But recently, more and more people started to take advantage of the Vermont DMV's lax policies for more nefarious purposes. The deputy commissioner for the DMV told The Autopian that a number of people were using Vermont to register stolen cars. Additionally, the state's DMV offices saw an increase of "runners" who would arrive to get paperwork to register multiple cars. These "runners" were often belligerent to staff to the point where the state started stationing police officers at DMV stations. Florida also put out a fraud alert last year, and began requiring those with Vermont registrations to prove residence in that state before obtaining a Florida title. One also imagines uninsured and/or unlicensed drivers taking advantage of Vermont's old policies.

What was once an open secret among car enthusiasts got out, and it created way too many headaches for the state of Vermont. It's understandable why the state wanted this gaping loophole closed. On balance, it's probably a good thing. We don't need more stolen cars and reckless activity on the roads.

Source - Road and Track magazine, Chris Perkins , Senior Reporter 2023

The text is appreciated, but calling Steve Lehto a wanker is stupid. He's a good dude doing good things. I watch him nearly every morning with my coffee, and I have a real life.

That was a general cloud yelling about text bring much faster than video

Thanks for validating someone who actually does it well for us, I did not watch it , so he fell under my blanket hatred of videos in generall

Off to have a nap, then watch Matlock

Lots of great information available in video form. Interesting that you choose to close yourself off to that source of knowledge.

Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:12 pm

Don't forget , Murder She Wrote.

Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:34 pm

I’m open to videos but that one was 11 minutes and I read the text in 42 seconds

Was there more information outside of the RT article in that 11 minutes ?

Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:39 pm

Abscate wrote: I’m open to videos but that one was 11 minutes and I read the text in 42 seconds

Was there more information outside of the RT article in that 11 minutes ?

More information? maybe not. Interesting discussion and food for thought? Yes.

Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:55 am

cdennisg wrote: Abscate wrote: I’m open to videos but that one was 11 minutes and I read the text in 42 seconds

Was there more information outside of the RT article in that 11 minutes ?

More information? maybe not. Interesting discussion and food for thought? Yes.

I’ll come over in my EV so we can smuggle up and watch it together

:D

Thanks for reminding me to not be so heavy with the tar brush.

Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:07 am

Abscate wrote: cdennisg wrote: Abscate wrote: I’m open to videos but that one was 11 minutes and I read the text in 42 seconds

Was there more information outside of the RT article in that 11 minutes ?

More information? maybe not. Interesting discussion and food for thought? Yes.

I’ll come over in my EV so we can smuggle up and watch it together

:D

Thanks for reminding me to not be so heavy with the tar brush.

Gonna take a long time to get to Idaho in that thing. :wink:

Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:34 am

I just found out "the Vermont thing" is over. Too bad people took advantage of a good thing to register stolen cars. I wonder if you can re-up your registration when it runs out if you live outside Vt.? I'm just happy they started issuing TITLES a few years back, it's not cheap, they charge 6% of the NADA blue book value, but you get a Title after jumping through a few hoops.

Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:36 am

crukab wrote: I just found out "the Vermont thing" is over. Too bad people took advantage of a good thing to register stolen cars. I wonder if you can re-up your registration when it runs out if you live outside Vt.? I'm just happy they started issuing TITLES a few years back, it's not cheap, they charge 6% of the NADA blue book value, but you get a Title after jumping through a few hoops.

You live in Vermont. I was under the impression you could still do it if you were actually a citizen of Vermont?

Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:52 am

They are requiring a "legitimate purpose associated with the state", property ownership, business etc. They are still renewing existing registrations. Seems like you could rent a garage and use that address.