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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:47 am    Post subject: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

Hello
Just bought an original september 1977 westfalia bay window
I'd put this 1600 engine back to 100% factory original specs.
I can't find official press picture or brochure showing it
Anyone could help, what's not correct ?
I guess coil, fuel pump, carb
I'd like to see also how the right way for fuel line around carb and pump
Thanks for your help


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:18 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

My advice is to remove the inline fuel filter.
As the trick here is to have as few connections that could fail and spray fuel over a hot engine.
The fuel pump looks correct and the coil is roughly in the correct position.
The oil pressure switch is disconnected which I believe is the loose wire.

Yours is a European bus as some did still come with the type 1 engine.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

sure my thought was to remove this filter as I already have one fuel after the tank
the coil is not in the correct position but I can't see any others way to put as earlier engine
the carb is an empi repro, I'd have a 34 pict 3 from what I know
do you know where find vw pictures of 1600 bus engine ?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

There's a tiny pic here: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/1979_bus_uk.php


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:03 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

Hello,
what about my fan shroud ? look like early round 30hp style, I guess I should have later style more squared ?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:23 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

Could be from an earlier bus.
What is your engine code?
It is a 47 year old bus so will have had some chai.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:33 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

it's a 1600 dual port AD code
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:15 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

I think that is correct code AD or AS.
I can see by the riveted plate this is a remanufactured engine.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:28 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

AD code is a 1971-1973 engine code.
AS as what yours should have in it is 1974-1979.
Basically the same engine with 50bhp power output.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:07 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

thank you for the informations
I think this dog house style fan shroud is a repro and I'd have a "squared" one
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

Yes, the shroud is wrong, it's a repro some install for that "vintage" look. Many of them lack the internal vanes for proper cooling, any later dual port shroud will be an improvement, although a proper bus shroud has a larger scoop for the oil cooler air supply.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

It appears your vacuum connection for the brake booster is coming off the left intake manifold outer end, instead of the original one on the intake center section right below the carb.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

kreemoweet wrote:
It appears your vacuum connection for the brake booster is coming off the left intake manifold outer end, instead of the original one on the intake center section right below the carb.


Good information, I was wondering why this tube was closed
You mean that ?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
Yes, the shroud is wrong, it's a repro some install for that "vintage" look. Many of them lack the internal vanes for proper cooling, any later dual port shroud will be an improvement, although a proper bus shroud has a larger scoop for the oil cooler air supply.


Yes I'll try to find a nice 1600 squared shroud
Good to know also about this detail "scoop" for the air cleaner
Do you have a picture to show me how it looks like ?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:51 pm    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

That vacuum nipple looks tiny, like 4-5mm, most likely for the aircleaner preheat on a beetle. The Bus manifold has a 12mm nipple in that location.

Shroud info here: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=373823
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

You have lots of work ahead to correct things
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
That vacuum nipple looks tiny, like 4-5mm, most likely for the aircleaner preheat on a beetle. The Bus manifold has a 12mm nipple in that location.

Shroud info here: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=373823


Ok, so I have a beetle air intake ?
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

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busdaddy wrote:
That vacuum nipple looks tiny, like 4-5mm, most likely for the aircleaner preheat on a beetle. The Bus manifold has a 12mm nipple in that location.

Shroud info here: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=373823


Ok, so I have a beetle air intake ?

Most likely, it lacks the nipple for the vacuum boosted power brakes. although not all buses were equipped with those, but I see the hose on yours.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2024 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

Most European 1600cc buses did not come with vacuum/power brakes.
At least all the 1600cc ones I have seen in the UK do not have a brake booster.
Check whether you have a brake servo.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 10:30 am    Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
That vacuum nipple looks tiny, like 4-5mm, most likely for the aircleaner preheat on a beetle. The Bus manifold has a 12mm nipple in that location.

Shroud info here: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=373823


Hello
Have checked the page talking about fan shroud,
I don't understand what mean FI ? Which one is correct for a bus so ?

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