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palmgreen57 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:47 am Post subject: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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Hello
Just bought an original september 1977 westfalia bay window
I'd put this 1600 engine back to 100% factory original specs.
I can't find official press picture or brochure showing it
Anyone could help, what's not correct ?
I guess coil, fuel pump, carb
I'd like to see also how the right way for fuel line around carb and pump
Thanks for your help
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heyskull Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:18 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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My advice is to remove the inline fuel filter.
As the trick here is to have as few connections that could fail and spray fuel over a hot engine.
The fuel pump looks correct and the coil is roughly in the correct position.
The oil pressure switch is disconnected which I believe is the loose wire.
Yours is a European bus as some did still come with the type 1 engine.
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palmgreen57 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:39 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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sure my thought was to remove this filter as I already have one fuel after the tank
the coil is not in the correct position but I can't see any others way to put as earlier engine
the carb is an empi repro, I'd have a 34 pict 3 from what I know
do you know where find vw pictures of 1600 bus engine ?
thank you
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palmgreen57 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:03 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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Hello,
what about my fan shroud ? look like early round 30hp style, I guess I should have later style more squared ? |
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heyskull Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:23 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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Could be from an earlier bus.
What is your engine code?
It is a 47 year old bus so will have had some chai.
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palmgreen57 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:33 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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it's a 1600 dual port AD code |
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heyskull Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:15 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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I think that is correct code AD or AS.
I can see by the riveted plate this is a remanufactured engine.
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heyskull Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:28 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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AD code is a 1971-1973 engine code.
AS as what yours should have in it is 1974-1979.
Basically the same engine with 50bhp power output.
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palmgreen57 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:07 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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thank you for the informations
I think this dog house style fan shroud is a repro and I'd have a "squared" one |
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:54 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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Yes, the shroud is wrong, it's a repro some install for that "vintage" look. Many of them lack the internal vanes for proper cooling, any later dual port shroud will be an improvement, although a proper bus shroud has a larger scoop for the oil cooler air supply. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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kreemoweet Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:34 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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It appears your vacuum connection for the brake booster is coming off the left intake manifold outer end, instead of the original one on the intake center section right below the carb. _________________ '67 bug: seized by the authorities
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palmgreen57 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:40 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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kreemoweet wrote: |
It appears your vacuum connection for the brake booster is coming off the left intake manifold outer end, instead of the original one on the intake center section right below the carb. |
Good information, I was wondering why this tube was closed
You mean that ?
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palmgreen57 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:42 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Yes, the shroud is wrong, it's a repro some install for that "vintage" look. Many of them lack the internal vanes for proper cooling, any later dual port shroud will be an improvement, although a proper bus shroud has a larger scoop for the oil cooler air supply. |
Yes I'll try to find a nice 1600 squared shroud
Good to know also about this detail "scoop" for the air cleaner
Do you have a picture to show me how it looks like ?
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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palmgreen57 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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Ok, so I have a beetle air intake ? |
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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palmgreen57 wrote: |
Ok, so I have a beetle air intake ? |
Most likely, it lacks the nipple for the vacuum boosted power brakes. although not all buses were equipped with those, but I see the hose on yours. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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heyskull Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 6:32 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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Most European 1600cc buses did not come with vacuum/power brakes.
At least all the 1600cc ones I have seen in the UK do not have a brake booster.
Check whether you have a brake servo.
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palmgreen57 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2024 10:30 am Post subject: Re: 1977 Westfalia correct engine parts |
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Hello
Have checked the page talking about fan shroud,
I don't understand what mean FI ? Which one is correct for a bus so ?
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