Auto transmission guru advice please

[Buscowboy]

Hello
Well today I started to drop the motor in my 70 Sqb to replace the main oil seal, all was going well until I noticed the input shaft ( not sure of correct terminology as I don’t have a manual to hand) coming out of the auto box. I could not slide it back into the tranny so had no option but to drop that too. On the ground they came apart with no problems. The input shaft( actually 2) pull out from the transmission with ease. My question is should this be the case or should they be secured into the automatic transmission with say a clip?
I’m going to need to replace the input shaft seal on the transmission as the fluid just pored out of it. Does anyone have a part number for this seal?
I’ve just ordered a Bentley manual as all the books I have don’t cover this.

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1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1990 Doka RHD

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[Bobnotch]

That small diameter shaft is the pump input shaft. Make damn sure it's not bent, and that it's seated ALL the way in before you put the torque converter back in place.
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64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

[Multi69s]

Yeah those shafts slide out all of the time / no biggie. However, the biggie comes when its time to install the engine to the trans. You have to make sure that all shafts are pushed back into place, and the torque converter is properly seated as well. Hold it up, twist and push it in at the same time.


Important, Important, Important, When you install the engine there MUST be about 1/2" clearance between the torque converter and the flex plate. If you don't have this clearance, the torque converter is not seated in far enough into the trans. Pull the engine out and try and seat the torque converter into the trans further. If you don't, YOU WILL crush the trans oil pump, and I no longer have any extra ones to sell, because of this.
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73 Squareback - 2L, T4, Automatic W/ AC
Gone, but many fond memories 69 Baja Bug 2010 - 5 Rib Bus Transaxle
Gone but not forgotten 72 Baja Bug 2010
My builds
T4 into Squareback http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=458944&highlight=
Auto Trans Rebuild http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=516066&highlight=
AC in Squareback https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...highlight=

[Buscowboy]

Thanks guys that’s a relief. My next obstacle to overcome is how remove/replace the gland nut with the correct torque. As Bob says “don’t just jam a screwdriver through the flex plate “.
Whilst trying to sleep last night I started to think of the moment I started to separate the auto box from the engine, as I did it literally dumped all the atf over my drive, this just didn’t seem right to me and I’m not sure exactly where it came from
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1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1990 Doka RHD

http://www.youtube.com/@BuscowboyClassics

https://www.instagram.com/buscowboy/

[Multi69s]

If you pulled the engine with the torque converter still connected to the flex plate, that probably did it. The plate and converter are supposed to be separated, and the torque converter stays with the transmission.

If you did pull the torque converter out, you want to get a new seal for it. There's a good chance that it was cut.
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69 road Bug 2110
73 Squareback - 2L, T4, Automatic W/ AC
Gone, but many fond memories 69 Baja Bug 2010 - 5 Rib Bus Transaxle
Gone but not forgotten 72 Baja Bug 2010
My builds
T4 into Squareback http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=458944&highlight=
Auto Trans Rebuild http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=516066&highlight=
AC in Squareback https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...highlight=

[Buscowboy]

Yep I definitely pulled the motor and the torque converter. I will look for a seal, any recommendations on suppliers? I might not find one over this side of the pond. Automatics are thin on the ground here( this is my first one)and type 3s even more so.
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1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1990 Doka RHD

http://www.youtube.com/@BuscowboyClassics

https://www.instagram.com/buscowboy/

[Buscowboy]

Can anyone confirm if the pump shaft ( small shaft in center) is fully seated in this position? I seem to remember all shafts sitting flush but I might be mistaken. I REALLY don’t want to mate the torque converter and then motor to find I have screwed up the pump shaft. When I rotate the shaft in this position it does feel like it is rotating the pump as I can feel the resistance.

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1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1990 Doka RHD

http://www.youtube.com/@BuscowboyClassics

https://www.instagram.com/buscowboy/

[KTPhil]

Of course VW has a tool for holding the flex plate:

But you might be able to improvise...

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7783246&highlight=#7783246

https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/com..._flywheel/

[Bobnotch]

[Buscowboy]

Nope I’ve never seen a tool like that. This is my first time messing with an auto and wish I’d done my research before hand.
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1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1990 Doka RHD

http://www.youtube.com/@BuscowboyClassics

https://www.instagram.com/buscowboy/

[Mike Fisher]

[Buscowboy]

Thanks Mike, that’s a relief. I was doubting myself massively. My Bentley manual should be here any day now 🤙
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1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1990 Doka RHD

http://www.youtube.com/@BuscowboyClassics

https://www.instagram.com/buscowboy/

[Multi69s]

[Buscowboy]

I may have sourced one here in the U.K. 🇬🇧 , if not I’ll see if Rock Auto ship internationally 🤙
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1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1990 Doka RHD

http://www.youtube.com/@BuscowboyClassics

https://www.instagram.com/buscowboy/

[Multi69s]

If you can't find one locally Rockauto has these:

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/volkswagen,197...+seal,8656

I have always been a fan of TIMKEN. If you run into trouble, I can play the middle man and ship one to you.
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69 road Bug 2110
73 Squareback - 2L, T4, Automatic W/ AC
Gone, but many fond memories 69 Baja Bug 2010 - 5 Rib Bus Transaxle
Gone but not forgotten 72 Baja Bug 2010
My builds
T4 into Squareback http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=458944&highlight=
Auto Trans Rebuild http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=516066&highlight=
AC in Squareback https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...highlight=

[Buscowboy]

[Buscowboy]

The seal I had originally ordered was for a 68-70 Auto Bug and definitely doesn’t fit. On Multi69s recommendation I searched for a Timken seal on Amazon Uk.
This is what I have ordered.

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1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1990 Doka RHD

http://www.youtube.com/@BuscowboyClassics

https://www.instagram.com/buscowboy/

[Bobnotch]

One nice thing about Rock Auto is they list parts by part number, that you can cross reference with other sites. My son has done that many times while looking up parts for either his Jetta or his Civic.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

[Buscowboy]

[Buscowboy]

It has been mentioned that when I install the torque converter it must have a gap of 1/2” from the flex plate. How do I achieve this please, any tips or tricks ?
Thanks
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1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1990 Doka RHD

http://www.youtube.com/@BuscowboyClassics

https://www.instagram.com/buscowboy/