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PeteSC
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 Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:13 am Post subject: Old-school vintage speed 36hp in an ad for a rough Ghia vert |
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So, this ad for a low light vert popped up in the Ghia forum:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2634931
It has an as of yet unidentified dual carb kit that *possibly* appears to be dual port, and it seems to have remnants of a Judson setup at one time. Everett was kind enough to share a higher resolution image of the engine as seen below. Lots of guages on the dash, what looks like a 2nd coil and other bits in the trunk. Just wanted to share to see if the VS experts here wanted to weigh in if there's anything about the engine or car that's worthwhile.
I considered reaching out to the seller for more photos of the engine, but since I'm not interested in buying the car I didn't want to waste his time....though identifying if there are some cool VS bits here might expand interest in the car for him.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Old-school vintage speed 36hp in an ad for a rough Ghia vert |
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The more I look at it the less I think it’s a dual port setup and is single port. What looked to be a split intake on the right I think is just an illusion created by the spark plug wire.
It can’t be a Rethwish set up as the orientation of the carbs is different as is the linkage. So who else made a single port set up for 36hp?
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PeteSC
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Old-school vintage speed 36hp in an ad for a rough Ghia vert |
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The more I look at it the less I think it’s a dual port setup and is single port. What looked to be a split intake on the right I think is just an illusion created by the spark plug wire.
It can’t be a Rethwish set up as the orientation of the carbs is different as is the linkage. So who else made a single port set up for 36hp? |
I see it now, and you're correct, not a dual port. You were on the right track, though it's not a spark plug wire - it's a balance tube setup that gives the right manifold the appearance of being dual port. I traced it in yellow in the photo. My guess is they're possibly homemade manifolds?
Not looking like this is going to have desirable heads or internals. Oh well...
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Old-school vintage speed 36hp in an ad for a rough Ghia vert |
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The more I look at it the less I think it’s a dual port setup and is single port. What looked to be a split intake on the right I think is just an illusion created by the spark plug wire.
It can’t be a Rethwish set up as the orientation of the carbs is different as is the linkage. So who else made a single port set up for 36hp? |
I see it now, and you're correct, not a dual port. You were on the right track, though it's not a spark plug wire - it's a balance tube setup that gives the right manifold the appearance of being dual port. I traced it in yellow in the photo. My guess is they're possibly homemade manifolds?
Not looking like this is going to have desirable heads or internals. Oh well...
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Nice spot on the balance tube. Wish we had more pix. Doesn’t look stroked either, cylinder head covers look pretty flush to the case.
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Redlabel6
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Old-school vintage speed 36hp in an ad for a rough Ghia vert |
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Interesting that there is an alternator and a generator. It kind of looks like the deck lid has been cut?
Maybe for a Judson scoop?
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oldslow
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Old-school vintage speed 36hp in an ad for a rough Ghia vert |
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Dietz linkage and Dietz manifolds, you can see the crossover pipe.
Here is a picture from the classifieds
Deck lid cut for Judson
Look at all those gauges!
I think the extra coil in the trunk was for a gas heater (see the hole near the glove box)
Also this was a back in the day hot rodder (who ran with the stock distributor)
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PeteSC
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:53 am Post subject: Re: Old-school vintage speed 36hp in an ad for a rough Ghia vert |
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Dietz linkage and Dietz manifolds, you can see the crossover pipe.
Here is a picture from the classifieds
Deck lid cut for Judson
Look at all those gauges!
I think the extra coil in the trunk was for a gas heater (see the hole near the glove box)
Also this was a back in the day hot rodder (who ran with the stock distributor) |
Well that's pretty cool, so it's not homemade. I was wondering what the thing on the shroud was; I had guessed it was an improvised support for the alternator. No idea on the value of that setup but based on the photo you shared it looks like this Ghia has one with all of the main parts. |
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SCG9860
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Old-school vintage speed 36hp in an ad for a rough Ghia vert |
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I came across this ad.
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FarmerBill
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Old-school vintage speed 36hp in an ad for a rough Ghia vert |
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| I'm guessing the larger Motorola component above the shroud is for the tach? I recognize the rectangular voltage regulator, but the big one with the blue i.d. plate I can't place. Hard to tell where the wires run to. |
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oldslow
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Old-school vintage speed 36hp in an ad for a rough Ghia vert |
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The choke cable is connected to the passenger side carburetor.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Old-school vintage speed 36hp in an ad for a rough Ghia vert |
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| PeteSC wrote: |
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Dietz linkage and Dietz manifolds, you can see the crossover pipe.
Here is a picture from the classifieds
Deck lid cut for Judson
Look at all those gauges!
I think the extra coil in the trunk was for a gas heater (see the hole near the glove box)
Also this was a back in the day hot rodder (who ran with the stock distributor) |
Well that's pretty cool, so it's not homemade. I was wondering what the thing on the shroud was; I had guessed it was an improvised support for the alternator. No idea on the value of that setup but based on the photo you shared it looks like this Ghia has one with all of the main parts. |
That’s a rad setup, like a Rethwish with better linkage. I had a Rethwish set up on a ‘58 bus with a stroker crank and it ran like a beast. 65mph easily. Probably a blast in a Ghia.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Old-school vintage speed 36hp in an ad for a rough Ghia vert |
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Looks like it sold.
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1963 stretched double cab
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1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
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