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DariuszPlich
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 Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:23 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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Hey Jason, I hope that metal gasket is just for assembly aid. Those are for Type 1 motors. The small hole in the center lower is great vacuum leak ona Type 3 with dual carbs.
I struggled with this on Jill's Type 34 Ghia when we first got it before finding this issue. |
Yeah, I was going to use them. What goes in as a gasket if I cant use that? I looked in the Parts Manual and didn't see anything. Thanks for the heads up John. |
I run the thick paper gasket myself. So much better than those t-1 metal gaskets. I too have learned that one, back in the 90's. 
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jaransonT3
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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| notchboy wrote: |
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Hey Jason, I hope that metal gasket is just for assembly aid. Those are for Type 1 motors. The small hole in the center lower is great vacuum leak ona Type 3 with dual carbs.
I struggled with this on Jill's Type 34 Ghia when we first got it before finding this issue. |
Yeah, I was going to use them. What goes in as a gasket if I cant use that? I looked in the Parts Manual and didn't see anything. Thanks for the heads up John. |
Like Bob said, I just cut a heavy paper gasket. Cereal boxes work well if you don't go get some proper gasket material.
I went out and grabbed a spare manifold and Type 1 gasket to show the issue. Figured it might help others also.
In this first pic you can see the notch in the base of the Type 3 manifold.
When you use the Type 1 gasket (that is supplied in all of the gasket sets, btw) with the Type 3 manifold you can see the clear path through the gasket and the notch. You can see the green tape through the hole in this pic. Not good.
You might think you can just flip the gasket over so the hole is opposite of the notch. The problem is likely less, but the raised crush rib in the gasket still spans the notch as you can see here.
Might get a bit better sealing, but still not as good as you want. Those air leaks will make it tough to tune the carbs properly.
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notchboy
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:08 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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Yeah, after my last post I remembered the issue John. Its been 30 years since I had a dual port Type 3. 
Im going to run some thick empi cardboard ones most likely. But I do have a stack of phenolic DP FI spacers. 
Anybody have an hearly breather they want to sell?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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Yeah, after my last post I remembered the issue John. Its been 30 years since I had a dual port Type 3.
Im going to run some thick empi cardboard ones most likely. But I do have a stack of phenolic DP FI spacers.
Anybody have an hearly breather they want to sell?
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Don't run the FI spacers. You REALLY need the spacers under the carbs though to keep the fuel from vaporizing at a stop. The additional FI phenolics will raise your carbs up too high and can also cause manifold icing under humid/ wet/ cold conditions. Your manifolds need the heat. Your carbs do not. Follow?
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Jason37
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 10:31 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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| Let me check my stash for the breather this weekend. |
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notchboy
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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OK, Teddy Kimer hooked me up with a breather. I also had several others offer as well, so thanks again all!
As soon as John posted about the FI gaskets, the old memory bank kicked in. Remember guys, my last DP car was my black notchback. Many moons ago. I cut my teeth on DP 16OO motors.  Just been a minute. I appreciate the PMs and messages. I fully comprende the phenolic sprekenzy
Asking a dumb question to some, has allowed me to take it back to olden times when folks used cereal boxes to rebuild carburetors. I grabbed some thick card stock from work since I didn't have a box of Frosted Flakes. Traced me out some gaskets (for the younger crowd - that yellow stick is called a "pencil". Used long ago to scribe an ancient text called "cursive" ) cut them out and bang! Saved me $15 plus shipping.
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jaransonT3
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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OK, Teddy Kimer hooked me up with a breather. I also had several others offer as well, so thanks again all!
As soon as John posted about the FI gaskets, the old memory bank kicked in. Remember guys, my last DP car was my black notchback. Many moons ago. I cut my teeth on DP 16OO motors. Just been a minute. I appreciate the PMs and messages. I fully comprende the phenolic sprekenzy
Asking a dumb question to some, has allowed me to take it back to olden times when folks used cereal boxes to rebuild carburetors. I grabbed some thick card stock from work since I didn't have a box of Frosted Flakes. Traced me out some gaskets (for the younger crowd - that yellow stick is called a "pencil". Used long ago to scribe an ancient text called "cursive" ) cut them out and bang! Saved me $15 plus shipping.
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These look great Jason!
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notchboy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:21 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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The part I love to do. After all the crap thats been sitting around for God knows how long, gets a new lease on life. There's just something about taking old, bent, rusty greazy stuff and cleaning it up and making it look good again.
I could be going way faster than I am going but Im enjoying this pace. Digging through trays of OEM nuts and bolts, cleaning up them to install all the top half of the motor. Besides the tops not finished yet, so I don't have the car yet.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:41 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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Looking good, my broth@. Even the tennies have a nice 60s vibe- Turkis? Or Hellgruen? 
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notchboy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:05 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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| Looking good, my broth@. Even the tennies have a nice 60s vibe- Turkis? Or Hellgruen? |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:57 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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notchboy
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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Continuing pecking away, slowly with no real rush. Put the BERU pink spark plugs in, the BOSCH crack pipes on the refreshed 64 Distributor, chased with some NGK Copper core wires in, whats this? Blue Topped it off with a Brazilian cleaner for the moment.
Waiting on the Gen stuff to bolt it up and put a belt on. Probably get the HE cleaned and installed and work on the muffler - Vintage Speed Abarth style. I want to see if I can use or duplicate something for the fan elbows to circulate air into the HE like stock. We will see when I get the muffler on.
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Jason37
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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Looks sweet!
Here was my solution. Cut down some late elbows for the bottom piece.
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KTPhil 
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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Looks juicy! Can't wait to see it in person soon!
BTW, I don't think Type 3 gens used the plastic cover on the vent. Wasn't that a Bug thing? Or did earlies use a Bug generator? |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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Dude.
Blue wires are for the flat piston single side draft "Normal" engine.
Red is for the "S" engine.
Black is 1600.
Do you want some red 7mm wire? Pedro needs the blue ones for his '62 and some acetone will remove all the NAPA print.
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notchboy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:12 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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Dude.
Blue wires are for the flat piston single side draft "Normal" engine.
Red is for the "S" engine.
Black is 1600.
Do you want some red 7mm wire? Pedro needs the blue ones for his '62 and some acetone will remove all the NAPA print. |
First thing to go is the memory. So since Im playing never was with the motor, didn't you know the wires on a Super 16OO 1964 Prototype motor were supposed to be yellow?  But legend has it that at the 1963 Frankfurt Motor Show they were indeed blue - at least on all the T34 Convertible Ghias on hand showcased for the 1964 model year. And the steering wheel was a sporty looking Nardi.
Remember? https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=719481&highlight=spark+plug+wires
Disclaimer - yes the above facts are presented in a completely sarcastic manner. Since there was never a 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible, I am and will take liberty. If I were to make a 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible as if sold to the public - it would be a stock 1964 Coupe with a convertible top. In 1963 you could of had an Anthracite Ghia, but was gone for the 1964 year. They never had Porsche 356 wheels, but mine will and so on and so on. Sorry this in not a stable front and center Classic 15OO Club resto. I've done several of those. This is a complete fantasy piece of what I envision a Type 34 Road car that could of given a 356 a run for it. So relax George, there are way more "incorrect" things coming. You gona pop a blood vessel pooping, get found on the toilet dead. We don't want that.
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notchboy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:45 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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Looks juicy! Can't wait to see it in person soon!
BTW, I don't think Type 3 gens used the plastic cover on the vent. Wasn't that a Bug thing? Or did earlies use a Bug generator? |
Its a Tudor Alternator. The cap from the underside has been removed for air flow.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:13 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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Looks juicy! Can't wait to see it in person soon!
BTW, I don't think Type 3 gens used the plastic cover on the vent. Wasn't that a Bug thing? Or did earlies use a Bug generator? |
Its a Tudor Alternator. The cap from the underside has been removed for air flow. |
I’m thinking about popping both of mine off. Since it’s a type 3 I can’t see how any trash can get in there unless I drop something it. I don’t think any of the six volt type 1s had plastic covers anyway, it’s a 12 V think I’m pretty sure or maybe 6V that used the remote voltage regulator.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:39 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Type 34 Ghia Convertible Project |
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Yeah, air needs to flow through it. Don't run them with any covers.
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