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OKType3Tim 
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 Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Early Type 34 ignition/signal housing rebuild |
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And somewhat related to the details in the previously posted drawings: In my experience with my vehicles, there is a difference in length for the early steering column tubes between T34 and the rest of the type3 family. T34 tubes are slightly longer:
And measure out at 510mm - 511mm
The Pigalle tube is from a '66 Squareback. The black tube is from a '66 T34.
The Squareback tube is 473mm in length.
Can others confirm this fact?
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Early Type 34 ignition/signal housing rebuild |
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| Both of my Type 3 tubes are 475mm long - close enough! |
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Early Type 34 ignition/signal housing rebuild |
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| t3kg wrote: |
| Yes, Type 34 column tubes are longer. |
Yup, it's due to the angle the steering box mounts to the beam, and the position of the steering wheel in the car (lower and slightly further back).
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OKType3Tim
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Early Type 34 ignition/signal housing rebuild |
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Thanks Greg. That is a nice writeup.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Early Type 34 ignition/signal housing rebuild |
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I got derailed from my column rebuild project because I got my car back from paint and there were a lot of more urgent things to take care of. Finally getting back to it. I was going through the various column parts I have and realized I have two different versions of the ignition lock retainer: my car's column had an odd stamped steel retainer and I also have the more familiar cast lock retainer:
I was looking through the workshop manual and parts book today and apparently the stamped steel part is from a really early column, like 1961 early. The cast retainer was introduced with the second parts list supplement in late '61. Not sure what it was doing in my May '62 car — maybe VW was using up superseded parts?
There was also a REALLY early version of the column with a retaining screw on the outside of the ignition lock housing. I guess that version didn't work out so well.
The workshop manual says the cast lock retainer needs to be modified to fit an earlier column. I'll see if it fits my column as is. The ignition lock has been replaced before so I might have a column with a mix of parts from different years.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Early Type 34 ignition/signal housing rebuild |
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The early notch I'm working on had that retainer and I hadn't see one ever before that. No set screw on the housing though
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Early Type 34 ignition/signal housing rebuild |
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Looks great, Scott.
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| Also, Lionel Mendoza's step-by-step ignition switch tutorial on FB was very helpful. |
Might be worth it to add it here?
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Early Type 34 ignition/signal housing rebuild |
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| Actually I found that the seal is listed in the early book too, it's just not shown in the drawing. Apparently introduced in mid-1963. It's described as a "dichtring für Mantelrohr" or oil seal for the column tube. Maybe it was a dealer fix for problems with bearing grease fouling the electrical contacts? |
You're referring to 311 415 573, correct? It's #27 in the diagram:
I wonder if that was a part that - based on your theory of attempting to eliminate fouling electrical connections - was eliminated when the ground tab was moved from the column tube to the steering box? Notice that there's a male spade connector at the bottom of the column tube...when that moved (likely between engineering drawings and production), the seal was no longer needed? I've never seen a spade connector at the bottom of a steering column tube other than in the book. Without that spade connector - there's no other electrical to foul if the bearing did leak grease.
I've always found it odd that the end of the steering column tube is open at the steering box end. |
Yes, #27. It's weird that a part that's listed in the books for cars between mid-'63 and 67 is something no one has ever seen. That's what makes me think it might have been a service part.
I was wondering about the spade connector on the tube in the drawing too. It's also shown in my '61 parts book, so it's a bit of a mystery. |
Just to update this theory vs. reality bit...Scott found the documentation and I'm posting in the event someone else comes looking for the info.
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Hi, don't mind me bumping an old thread, just for info if anyone is ever looking for 311415573, i was looking also for this part but what i did was replace it with an oil seal that i pressed in the tube, the drive shaft is 22mm OD and the tube is 38mm ID, i searched with those dimensions and found some universal oil seals  |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Early Type 34 ignition/signal housing rebuild |
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Thanks andybla that is helpful. I'm just starting my T35 column rebuild.
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I cannot find Lionel Mendoza's step-by-step ignition switch tutorial. Can someone point me to the right direction?
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