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72alpinewhitebus Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:20 pm Post subject: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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Hi Folks,
I'm trying to reconcile copious amounts of oil in the engine bay coming from the tower/filler neck area. I've got a new tower seal and filler seal, but also got one of these "oil vapor baffle" things from Wolfsburg West. Is it only for restricting vapor or will it also limit oil blow-by as well?
If not I guess I'll be a guinea pig. |
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66brm Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2010 Posts: 3676 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:31 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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It's designed to collect the oil vapour particles in the engines blow by and direct it back to the sump. If you're seeing that much oil at the top of the generator tower then it's worth doing a leak down test to see if your rings aren't worn out _________________ Aust. RHD 66 Type 1
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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It's a repro of an actual VW accessory to address mild blow by problems. It's not meant to compensate for massive blow by. _________________ Chris
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Jacks Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2006 Posts: 2348 Location: San Clemente, Ca.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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I’ve installed few of these on preA two piece engines with good results. Required a bit of trimming and bending to fit correctly. _________________ Jack Staggs
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jason Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2002 Posts: 3444 Location: Garage
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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There is a gasket under the generator. Cant remember if it is open into the case below. |
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72alpinewhitebus Samba Member
Joined: July 04, 2016 Posts: 77 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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66brm wrote: |
It's designed to collect the oil vapour particles in the engines blow by and direct it back to the sump. If you're seeing that much oil at the top of the generator tower then it's worth doing a leak down test to see if your rings aren't worn out |
Thanks, yes I'm already at low compression so I'm assuming some internal engine wear is part of it. I'm at the last stage before a total rebuild, so I'm trying to work out every little possible weak link and get as many miles as I can before then. _________________ "What's the difference between a pro and an amateur? A pro doesn't think they're an amateur."
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72alpinewhitebus Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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jason wrote: |
There is a gasket under the generator. Cant remember if it is open into the case below. |
Yes it is and the gasket looked like a used coffee filter.
Here's the top of the gen stand, should it be filed/sanded flush? I cleaned it up a bit but its still pitted... _________________ "What's the difference between a pro and an amateur? A pro doesn't think they're an amateur."
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sunroof Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2006 Posts: 1778 Location: Winnipeg
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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I have a sheet of cork gasket a couple of millimetres thick I use for this. I cut it to fit and coat the underside with aviation form-a-gasket. It is a good deal thicker than stock but the engines I build never leak from under the generator. Mostly they leak from the fuel pump and oil pump. Someday I hope to build an engine that doesn't leak.
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72alpinewhitebus Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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Thank you sealant or no sealant was gonna be another question... _________________ "What's the difference between a pro and an amateur? A pro doesn't think they're an amateur."
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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72alpinewhitebus wrote: |
jason wrote: |
There is a gasket under the generator. Cant remember if it is open into the case below. |
Yes it is and the gasket looked like a used coffee filter.
Here's the top of the gen stand, should it be filed/sanded flush? I cleaned it up a bit but its still pitted... |
Leave it alone. The gasket will take care of it. As suggested use a little aviation sealant. If you file or sand that the chances are you will get filings and grit down in the engine and that is the last thing you need. _________________ Chris
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72alpinewhitebus Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
It's a repro of an actual VW accessory to address mild blow by problems. It's not meant to compensate for massive blow by. |
Nice to know it has a valid history, thanks _________________ "What's the difference between a pro and an amateur? A pro doesn't think they're an amateur."
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72alpinewhitebus Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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Seems to fit nicely. No instructions though so I'm just winging it. _________________ "What's the difference between a pro and an amateur? A pro doesn't think they're an amateur."
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3557 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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When I bought mine from WW, it came with a template to bend it properly.
The exact shape isn’t critical. It should help, but a good gasket with aviation sealant will fix the leak. I use yellow 3M, but both will work. |
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don1357 Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2017 Posts: 387 Location: Palmer Alaska
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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If you have worked on this engine before (and stand a chance of not pulling a head stud) you should re-ring the pistons. Dirt cheap, will fix your excessive blow by problem, and will give you more ponies to play with. It is definitely a band aid until the next rebuild. |
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72alpinewhitebus Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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This is something I'm pondering, and a worthwhile recommendation I totally acknowledge. This all started with just replacing the muffler, so I'm still processing how far its gone. My compression is 95/90/105/95, so I know she's on her last days before a total rebuild. I may be naïve but she runs really well and I'm hoping to roll around for awhile as is. The evidence I've found is that all my oil leaks can be accounted for and reconciled without cracking the case or pulling the heads. If nothing else I'll by process of elimination have everything else done before going internal on the engine. _________________ "What's the difference between a pro and an amateur? A pro doesn't think they're an amateur."
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motofly196 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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I used to re-ring engines...but I found that an older engine with a lot of miles on them, install new rings and increased compression took a quick toll on the main bearings and wiped them out pretty quick. Best to do it all at once in my opinion. |
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 6371 Location: Pentwater, Michigan
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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Agree with the above from both logic and experience. True even more so, with a 36 hp engine. _________________ Roads Scholar &
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72alpinewhitebus Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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motofly196 wrote: |
I used to re-ring engines...but I found that an older engine with a lot of miles on them, install new rings and increased compression took a quick toll on the main bearings and wiped them out pretty quick. Best to do it all at once in my opinion. |
That's great advice. _________________ "What's the difference between a pro and an amateur? A pro doesn't think they're an amateur."
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sunroof Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Oil Vapor Baffle - any thoughts? |
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I'm doing a refresh on a 36er right now. As prescribed, new mains and rod bearings and reground camshaft to go with new piston rings. Right now I'm wondering how to measure the valve guides to see if any need replacing. When I took it apart, it was quite a bit down in power and a mechanic friend suggested intake valve guides might be worn.
After taking a short course on the University of Youtube I now know what I will do.
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