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type4split Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2007 Posts: 681 Location: Hamilton, Indiana
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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Agree. If you want a Full resto?? Find a better car.
However if you want to have fun with a vintage vw?? Go for it. I'd love to have another split to do my way,,,,,, _________________ '67 deluxe bus w/the little windows
'52 beetle
'55 convertible
'50-something convertible (*need ribbed 'vert quarter panel )
'63 "milo" beetle
Part, parts and more parts |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4095
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 4:34 am Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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I agree as well. Assuming that the top part of the car is solid, get it back together using whatever donor and replacement parts you need to get a solid shell and build a car you can have fun with.
To bring that car back to original you almost need an entire split worth of parts. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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Two Glove Boxes Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2005 Posts: 838 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 10:38 am Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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If interested in selling any parts off of it PM me.
Other wise build it, its an amazing feeling bringing something so far gone back to life. |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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After taking inventory of whats available to me, here's how it's likely to go. I will stash the pan somewhere till it's needed. There is a 56 with the roof cut off that will donate the pan, and rear luggage area, and rear quarters. The front a pillars will come from another car. Klassic fab floors and heater channels. Pre bullet oval fenders, Oval "W" lid modified for a correct popes nose. All of this stuff is here and available to me. But there are a few unknowns.. What is the correct hood? A 4 tab? Has anyone used an oval ribbed door, and mounted the split glass and regulators?
SD |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4095
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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the doors will fit. Any '67 or earlier hood will fit but early '63 or earlier hood will be flat under the VW emblem and will be setup for the hood crest. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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joel55bug Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2005 Posts: 297 Location: Texas
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 8:59 am Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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esde wrote: |
After taking inventory of whats available to me, here's how it's likely to go. I will stash the pan somewhere till it's needed. There is a 56 with the roof cut off that will donate the pan, and rear luggage area, and rear quarters. The front a pillars will come from another car. Klassic fab floors and heater channels. Pre bullet oval fenders, Oval "W" lid modified for a correct popes nose. All of this stuff is here and available to me. But there are a few unknowns.. What is the correct hood? A 4 tab? Has anyone used an oval ribbed door, and mounted the split glass and regulators?
SD |
I'm glad to hear you are going to take the challenge and save yet another early VW, even though I believe sometimes some cars serve a better purpose of saving better candidates, in this case a split is a split and I agree totally with your approach.
Just some advice on your ideas to get started. First off the W decklid, you should just go with a KSR reproduction some places still sell them and they offer a popes nose style both in convertible and hardtop version. This will save you some time trying to make it work for your application, also don't forget about the big spring mount.
Second to answer your question about the oval ribbed doors on a split here you go: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1902847. Just remember the glass is different on splits, no vent windows.
Lastly on your plans with the '56 luggage area, I've read but I'm not a hundred percent sure, maybe someone else on here can shed some more light on this, from '54 and earlier is said to be larger than the '55 and later cars, might be an issue not sure. Also on the later pan you might come across a lever shock mounting problem but there is somewhere on here where they sell an adapter to fix the problem.
Not trying to discourage you, just trying to bring these notes to your attention. Good luck on the journey and I'll be following along in this thread. |
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Undis Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2006 Posts: 1396 Location: Riga, Latvia & Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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I can confirm the luggage area is different. The body was changed considerably in July 1955. Gone were the ribbed doors and the corresponding B-pillars. The rear seat was pushed backwards slightly to give more legroom. This meant the whole seat back and how it is fitted to the body had to be re-designed. Because of the new back seat position the luggage area was shortened and the area between the luggage floor and the rear body fixing bolts now slopes down at a wider angle instead of a 90 degree drop.
It really depends how correct you want to make it. I’m sure you can make the late oval luggage area fit an early body but you may encounter further issues with the back seat. |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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Undis wrote: |
I can confirm the luggage area is different. The body was changed considerably in July 1955. Gone were the ribbed doors and the corresponding B-pillars. The rear seat was pushed backwards slightly to give more legroom. This meant the whole seat back and how it is fitted to the body had to be re-designed. Because of the new back seat position the luggage area was shortened and the area between the luggage floor and the rear body fixing bolts now slopes down at a wider angle instead of a 90 degree drop.
It really depends how correct you want to make it. I’m sure you can make the late oval luggage area fit an early body but you may encounter further issues with the back seat. |
This is all great info, thank you very much for posting it here. I also have this 54 that I can probably salvage the luggage area from. As you can see the rest of the car is pretty shot, and it's well buried, but that shelf is one part that's not rotted out yet.
SD _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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Undis Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2006 Posts: 1396 Location: Riga, Latvia & Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 3:55 am Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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Yep. That '54 will be a perfect donor. I see it still has a back seat. Those seats are pretty valuable for all the reasons I mentioned above. Early versus late oval back seats are not interchangeable.
Good luck with the project! |
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joel55bug Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2005 Posts: 297 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 9:07 am Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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Undis wrote: |
Yep. That '54 will be a perfect donor. I see it still has a back seat. Those seats are pretty valuable for all the reasons I mentioned above. Early versus late oval back seats are not interchangeable.
Good luck with the project! |
Totally agree with all stated above. |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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So, here are some of what's come around in the past week of reading and looking..
The front of this car is savable, even though the a pillars are thin and need work everywhere. The rear is mostly gone, and whats there is thin, but above the rain gutter is ok. I have found and bought a rear clip from a 54 that is the entire rear window, b pillars, luggage shelf, rear end of the heater channels, really the only parts that are missing is the apron and rear inner fender wells. With this, the front a pillars from Virtanen, and some Klassic Fab heater channels I can make it a car again, and set it down on a 55 pan that I have. I did pick the seats from the 54 parts car a post above, while not exactly correct they'll do. Sadly that car was way worse than I thought at first glance.
I have found a pair of ribbed oval doors and will maybe convert them to the split glass and regulators.
A few questions:
The lower front fender wells need repair, as does the lower front cross panel. What are the year differences for these? Are they common up until late 50's, or later? A search really didn't turn up any info.
Thanks. SD _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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DDub Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2005 Posts: 307 Location: central pa.
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 2:45 am Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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The oval ribbed doors are different then split doors. |
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Porsche904 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2014 Posts: 192
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 3:02 am Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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DDub wrote: |
The oval ribbed doors are different then split doors. |
pre-55 doors can be changed, not a big problem:-) |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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A quick update, as I have been collecting parts, and that has led to some questions.
As the splits pan is a wreck (but fixable), there is no beam, or trans, I picked up a rolling pan from a 64. Supposedly it even runs
I am going to install new pan halves, and use this as the base to rebuild the 50 body. For repairing the body, I have this rear clip being delivered now
which will be a good solid base to build off of. With it there are some clean ribbed doors.
I have picked up a 56 oval rag, that is really far gone, but the front hinge pillars are clean and straight. Can these be used to replace the 50's? I have ordered the correct Klassic Fab heater channels, but am not sure on floor pans. Obviously this car will not be 100% correct, but I would like to run as close to a correct interior as possible. If I use a later 60's floor pan, will the early seats fit the track? Or should I use the early pans, and hunt for the correct seat tracks? I've read some mention about the angle of the seats being different, but not found any detail.
As always, thanks for whatever help or advise any can offer.
SD _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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oldbusboy Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2006 Posts: 604 Location: Bowen Island, BC Canada
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:45 am Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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Looks like lots of work, but worth it in the end.
I'd be interested in a link or a description of making early oval ribbed doors work. Specifically the window regulator.
Trevor _________________ 1968 porsche |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:03 am Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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HerrLowlight wrote: |
I'd be interested in a link or a description of making early oval ribbed doors work. Specifically the window regulator.
Trevor |
I'll be sure to take a bunch of pictures, when the time comes. I've had the conversion explained to me, and looked briefly at some split and oval doors. Nothing really stood out as insurmountable, though in my case I have both sets to work with. We'll see if I need to cannibalize any actual sheet metal from the split doors, or if they are just a pattern. That's surely a way down the road.. _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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Basketcase Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2011 Posts: 636 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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a lot of work, but it sounds like you can handle it. I'll be watching for updates on the magic you do. _________________ '72 Karmann Ghia Coupe (the Boss's) |
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Louis Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2007 Posts: 423 Location: canada BC
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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dont forget that the tray has a trap for accessing the tranny on a split.
not sure if they make repro traps but that wouldnt look right to use that luggage tray. |
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tisius Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2011 Posts: 1570 Location: Rotterdam,NL (+Chicago,IL)
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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with nice carpet over it no one will see that missing small (and relatively disfunctional) detail. _________________ drive it like you just robbed the bank
you don't have to be crazy to be into VW's, but it sure helps!!
.... if it ain't dutch, it ain't much! |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: 50 (51?) split excavation |
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Car is stripped down (farther) and has some bracing welded in. Removed the pan, which may be fixable.
Dragging the pan out from underneath
In all it's crusty glory
I've since gotten the pedals and master removed
The frame head is rusted through on the other side though..
The rear is in better shape. Though the spring plates are rusted solidly to the torsion housing..
The vin number has been pretty well obliterated unfortunately.
Here's some bracing, to which I've added some casters. I'll get busy soon removing the roof from the rest of the rear clip.
long road ahead for sure. SD _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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