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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12862 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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Tram wrote: |
If it's "racially negative" you're really way way way ex post facto on that one. |
There's a definite hypersensitivity to simian comparisons in the south, given the right circumstances, that could end a career. (& your avatar would only compound the issues.) _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
Everybody called it "Monkey Ward's", including those of us who worked there no matter what color we were... |
LOL, there's lots of terms that "everybody" used (including the "N" word) that are now taboo or unusable, keep using it & someone will eventually call you "racially insensitive" at the very least. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12862 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:40 am Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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Nope, ninja's not necessarily the narrative now naturally known as a no-no in the new nation. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12468
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 6:39 am Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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As one who has worked for the Government and Fortune 500 companies most of my life I've seen the culture change from what is acceptable. Back in the old days if someone insulted you it was solved by fisticuffs and that was the final verdict. About 10 -15 years ago the personnel dept now called human resources hired an outside firm to educate everyone especially the frontline people that deal directly with the public. We were taken in small groups and indoctrinated into what was acceptable using various pretend situations. In one two co workers a man and women are shown talking to each other the man compliments the woman on her appearance and asks her out for a date. She says no, about a week goes by he asks her again and she refuses again. At this point the trainer asks us what is wrong with this situation. I immediately raised my hand and said I couldn't find anything wrong in fact I said the man demonstrated excellent problem solving skills,was focused and was the kind of go getter we needed. All my co workers loved this answer but the trainer was blubbering something about sexual harassment. I knew where he was going with it but it was funny as hell to play as a comedy. Sensitivity training I believe they call it, everyone is a potential victim ain't it great? |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12862 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
As one who has worked for the Government and Fortune 500 companies most of my life I've seen the culture change from what is acceptable. Back in the old days if someone insulted you it was solved by fisticuffs and that was the final verdict. About 10 -15 years ago the personnel dept now called human resources hired an outside firm to educate everyone especially the frontline people that deal directly with the public. We were taken in small groups and indoctrinated into what was acceptable using various pretend situations. In one two co workers a man and women are shown talking to each other the man compliments the woman on her appearance and asks her out for a date. She says no, about a week goes by he asks her again and she refuses again. At this point the trainer asks us what is wrong with this situation. I immediately raised my hand and said I couldn't find anything wrong in fact I said the man demonstrated excellent problem solving skills,was focused and was the kind of go getter we needed. All my co workers loved this answer but the trainer was blubbering something about sexual harassment. I knew where he was going with it but it was funny as hell to play as a comedy. Sensitivity training I believe they call it, everyone is a potential victim ain't it great? |
LOL, in the early 90s, my buddy's dad was working for IBM when they were starting the sexual harassment sensitivity training. He said his whole group was in a sensitivity course when one of the women asked for the forms, everyone got really nervous & quiet & when she looked the forms over, she said "no, these are the complaint forms, I want the request forms" _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
Joined: October 14, 2007 Posts: 11056 Location: Flippin' a Belt........ .... Off-n-On ... NC USA
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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On a similar note...
Remember when an auto shop had a calendar with, pin ups, scantily clad ladies in bikini's... or.. in the buff... in the shop area..
Now.. in the waiting room or office.. yeah that IS distasteful and inappropriate..
Even in the shop at a toolbox.... is considered sexual harassment..
Not really.. it's more jealousy from the gals in the that office cant stop wedging chocolate fried pies and Mountain Dew down their throats..
I have calendars made with my wife (and on my screen saver) ....pin up style.. nothing I wouldn't show her parents.. in my work area.
We had one officesaurus complain as she spotted it grazing through the shop one day .. ..
She shut her pie hole when she found out it was my wife.. ..management backed me up.. and management was a women..
Ugggg... One point for man... Arrrgggh Arrrgghhh Arrrggghh..
Had a kool parts women the other day spotted the pics.. .. thumbed through them, loved them.. and wanted to know who and where she could do that for her husband.
Just shows... it all depends..
. _________________ aka Ken {o\!/o}
Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12862 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
..management baked me up..
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Let's hear it for those 420 smoke breaks with management! _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34023 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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"Monkey Wards" was common among my friends since early childhood. It was merely because pronouncing "Montgomery" was hard for toddlers. And don't get me started on "Worcestershire"!
There was no racial component to this at all. |
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
Joined: October 14, 2007 Posts: 11056 Location: Flippin' a Belt........ .... Off-n-On ... NC USA
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
..management baked me up..
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Let's hear it for those 420 smoke breaks with management! |
Nah... never have or plan to touch the stuff... .. or the management..
Simply draggin' my knuckles across the keyboard misspelling as usual... . _________________ aka Ken {o\!/o}
Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
Rebuilt to drive not decorate
WANTED: Local Eatin' Joints, Triple D for TheSamba contributions here http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=570510
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12862 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
TDCTDI wrote: |
VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
..management baked me up..
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Let's hear it for those 420 smoke breaks with management! |
Nah... never have or plan to touch the stuff... .. or the management..
Simply draggin' my knuckles across the keyboard misspelling as usual... . |
Sorry, I just had to take advantage of that. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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Jennepher Administrator
Joined: September 10, 2002 Posts: 4767 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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KTPhil wrote: |
"Monkey Wards" was common among my friends since early childhood. It was merely because pronouncing "Montgomery" was hard for toddlers. And don't get me started on "Worcestershire"!
There was no racial component to this at all. |
This is true in my experience also. _________________ Donate to TheSamba.com
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69831 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
As one who has worked for the Government and Fortune 500 companies most of my life I've seen the culture change from what is acceptable. Back in the old days if someone insulted you it was solved by fisticuffs and that was the final verdict. About 10 -15 years ago the personnel dept now called human resources hired an outside firm to educate everyone especially the frontline people that deal directly with the public. We were taken in small groups and indoctrinated into what was acceptable using various pretend situations. In one two co workers a man and women are shown talking to each other the man compliments the woman on her appearance and asks her out for a date. She says no, about a week goes by he asks her again and she refuses again. At this point the trainer asks us what is wrong with this situation. I immediately raised my hand and said I couldn't find anything wrong in fact I said the man demonstrated excellent problem solving skills,was focused and was the kind of go getter we needed. All my co workers loved this answer but the trainer was blubbering something about sexual harassment. I knew where he was going with it but it was funny as hell to play as a comedy. Sensitivity training I believe they call it, everyone is a potential victim ain't it great? |
I don't see anything wrong with what you described above as it's only 2 requests. Continued requests could be harassment.
Unfortunately some people consider that the first request should be the end of things. _________________ How to Post Photos
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12862 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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KTPhil wrote: |
"Monkey Wards" was common among my friends since early childhood. It was merely because pronouncing "Montgomery" was hard for toddlers. And don't get me started on "Worcestershire"!
There was no racial component to this at all. |
No problem, there again, it was too easy. But it in this area, these days, someone would find offense in it. Coming soon to a PC course near you. The justice department just determined that "convict" & "felon" are too offensive now. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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bt Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2004 Posts: 441 Location: chicago
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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Obviously, the reference to monkeys has been used against us for a long time(google Michelle Obama).
but every reference to a monkey does not mean you are using code words about black folks. I have heard it called that all my life and it was never taken that way.
I always find it interesting that the people who mostly complain about the phrase"political correctness" are people that are NOT on the business end of that sharp stick. Try this, everytime that phrase come up substitute it for the words "treat people with respect" _________________ Most people think that they are thinking....... but all they are really doing is rearranging their prejudices |
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
Joined: October 14, 2007 Posts: 11056 Location: Flippin' a Belt........ .... Off-n-On ... NC USA
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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bt wrote: |
I always find it interesting that the people who mostly complain about the phrase"political correctness" are people that are NOT on the business end of that sharp stick.
Try this, every time that phrase come up substitute it for the words "treat people with respect" |
True...and it really is that simple..,
Treat all.. how you'd like to be treated... _________________ aka Ken {o\!/o}
Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
Rebuilt to drive not decorate
WANTED: Local Eatin' Joints, Triple D for TheSamba contributions here http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=570510
Search "VOLKSWAGNUT" on YouTube since you cant watch a "certain" BELT change video round here
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Bob Loblaw Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2008 Posts: 865 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
Treat all.. how you'd like to be treated... |
They should make this some kind of a rule.......... colour coded perhaps...... _________________ sent from a phone using poor grammar and spelling |
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GeorgeL Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2006 Posts: 7346
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
As one who has worked for the Government and Fortune 500 companies most of my life I've seen the culture change from what is acceptable. Back in the old days if someone insulted you it was solved by fisticuffs and that was the final verdict. |
My experience with Government and Fortune 500 companies goes back to the '60s ('70s as an actual employee) and I can't recall a single incident of fisticuffs between employees, and certainly not any sanctioned by the company. Fighting was cause for immediate dismissal in the various state and local agencies, the AEC, GM, Lockheed, and even the college summer jobs I held over the years.
Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
...a man and women are shown talking to each other the man compliments the woman on her appearance and asks her out for a date. She says no, about a week goes by he asks her again and she refuses again... |
I was taught that one's place of work wasn't the place to troll for women. Workplace romances are a really bad idea.
Women used to have to put up with a lot of crap at the workplace and perhaps the pendulum has now swung a bit too far. The fault lies mostly with the "manly men" who wouldn't take no for an answer.
As far as the "Monkey Wards" thing, imagine the situation not far into the future when folks with pale skin are a decided minority. Perhaps in this future "Wally" will become a pejorative for "white guy" and "Wallyworld will become a pejorative for the place where all those mid-American white guys buy stuff. The future of political correctness is rich with possibilities! |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34023 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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One of my favorite non-insults incorrectly taken as an ethnic slight is the phrase "get off scot-free." Many have taken this as an insult to the Scottish, fueled by the old stereotype of them being cheap. However, "scot" is a Middle English term for "tax" and so it merely means getting off tax-free. Has nothing to do with Scotland! |
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cbeck Samba Member
Joined: January 14, 2014 Posts: 2495 Location: high ridge, mo
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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Better find a new word to call your clutch slave cylinder. While you are at it you might as well find a new word for your master cylinder. |
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Jon Schmid Samba Member
Joined: May 29, 2012 Posts: 2039 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Remember when? |
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I guess it's why the word "attractive and successful african american" has fallen out of favor. And, yes, look it up. Thanks--- |
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