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p horvath
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 Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:08 pm Post subject: original 52 engine |
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can you say nos 25hp muffler from south africa?
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ZwitterND
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nos 25hp muffler from South Africa.....ok what do i win? 
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p horvath
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:57 am Post subject: 52 |
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| how about the original muffler i took off? it's got a few holes though. |
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D. Haviland
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| So, is this engine out of your "new" car? |
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p horvath
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: 52 |
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| yep, i pulled it to do the muffler. the original vw stamped unit had about ten spots that rusted through. |
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johnshenry 
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Does that NOS one have VW logos? Some theory that says that only replacement parts had VW logos, but factory originals didn't.
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splitjunkie
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| Does that NOS one have VW logos? Some theory that says that only replacement parts had VW logos, but factory originals didn't. |
I have never heard that one before. That makes no sense to me.
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johnshenry
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| Does that NOS one have VW logos? Some theory that says that only replacement parts had VW logos, but factory originals didn't. |
I have never heard that one before. That makes no sense to me. |
Have yet to see a factory split assembly line pic that shows a muffler with a VW logo on the end. All that I have seen show ones without logos. Most manuals also show non logo'ed mufflers.
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transportertalkman
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I have three of these NOS with dealer stickers on them. Couldn't say if they were assembly line installs or not.
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johnshenry
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I have an NOS VW logo'ed one also and will probably use it on my '51. Those ones in the picture above probably weren't manufacturing stock as they have the 3x3 numbers and those were known to have been used until late 53-'54.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with using a VW logo'ed one BTW, mufflers were probably the very first thing replaced on those old VWs. And I agree that it seems odd that there would be 2 different manufacturing methods used... unless all logo'ed ones are post split production era.
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p horvath
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| johnshenry wrote: |
| Does that NOS one have VW logos? Some theory that says that only replacement parts had VW logos, but factory originals didn't. |
no logos.......... |
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| johnshenry wrote: |
| Does that NOS one have VW logos? Some theory that says that only replacement parts had VW logos, but factory originals didn't. |
That, I think, is a correct statement. I have never seen an original 25hp motor that had a VW stamped muffler.
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ZwitterND
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My zwitter that I bought in 1975 didn't have the logo on it. I assumed it was a replacement but it only has 78K on it so I guess it was the original muffler then?
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johnshenry
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I have seen some NOS non logo'ed mufflers that appear to be original VW (the parts, welding and detail are identical to the original ones). I am not suggesting that all replacement mufflers were non logo'ed, b ut rather the opposite as true that no logo'ed mufflers were used on the production lines. Just a theory at this point, but every production line pic I have seen that shows engine detail show logo-less mufflers. Most split-era manuals also, including the Sept '50 one.
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52HoffmanSplit
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Aren't the mufflers with the bolt on Tailpipes technically Zwitter /Early Oval to April '55... most split mufflers I have seen have the tailpipe as an integral welded on piece. Just wondering while were on the whole muffler subject. 
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johnshenry
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| Aren't the mufflers with the bolt on Tailpipes technically Zwitter /Early Oval to April '55... most split mufflers I have seen have the tailpipe as an integral welded on piece. Just wondering while were on the whole muffler subject. |
Yep. So I think the best way to create the most accurate looking muffler would be to get one of the Dansk repro (non logo'ed) single tips and weld your own tailpipe on with the little triangular gussets.
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p horvath
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: 52 |
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| the muffler i replaced was logoed and my split has 86k kilometers so i assume it was the original muffler. the replacement unit from south africa didn't have the tab for the exhaust tip mounting bolt either. i used a correct clamp for my muffler exhaust tip. |
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52HoffmanSplit
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: 52 |
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| the muffler i replaced was logoed and my split has 86k kilometers so i assume it was the original muffler. the replacement unit from south africa didn't have the tab for the exhaust tip mounting bolt either. i used a correct clamp for my muffler exhaust tip. |
Did your old muffler have a bolt on exhaust tip? Dont get me wrong your engine is beautiful.... but I had always thought that original split single tip exhausts were 1 piece welded tips with the flange. Any Exhaust with a bolt on exhaust tip, using a clamp is Zwitter/Early Oval.
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ZwitterND
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Zwitters had gussets on tailpipe. Can't tell if logo is there or not in this picture.
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p horvath
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:11 am Post subject: Re: 52 |
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| the muffler i replaced was logoed and my split has 86k kilometers so i assume it was the original muffler. the replacement unit from south africa didn't have the tab for the exhaust tip mounting bolt either. i used a correct clamp for my muffler exhaust tip. |
Did your old muffler have a bolt on exhaust tip? Dont get me wrong your engine is beautiful.... but I had always thought that original split single tip exhausts were 1 piece welded tips with the flange. Any Exhaust with a bolt on exhaust tip, using a clamp is Zwitter/Early Oval. |
if i weld on the exhaust tip would i be cool then? |
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