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Peter - Belgium Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2003 Posts: 762 Location: Brussels - Belgium
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:17 pm Post subject: BarnDoor dropped spindles |
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Can Barndoor spindles be lowered in the "flipped" manner as it is used on the later spindles?
If not, is there a reason?
If yes, is it identical as lowering thel ater spindles?
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10199 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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I thought spindles were the all the same pre-63....is this incorrect?
I'm sure BBJ or Money Mike could enlighten us.... |
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BUCIOBATISTI Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2002 Posts: 6956 Location: San Diego, California, USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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I thought that Barndoor spindles were already in the "low" position geometrically and flipping them wouldn't do the same thing as later. Not positive, but I think that this is correct. As far as I know, BBJ uses later spindles and that way you can do the same dropped spindle setup as later Buses. _________________ Please check us out on Instagram at @holygrailgarage
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krusher Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2002 Posts: 7652 Location: europe
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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barndoor spindles are 1949 to march 55 only items. _________________ (06:31:07) RoachGhia: "i drink dick way too fast" |
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FBIVW Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2002 Posts: 221 Location: Gower, South Wales. UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:03 pm Post subject: spindles |
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as far as i know 55 to 62 spindles are the thing to use if dropped spindles are your fancy on your barndoor. the early small diameter linkpins will slot in.
Should give a bigger braking surface, easier to get wheel cylinders etc etc. |
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55samba Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2002 Posts: 805 Location: CA Bay Area
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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this is just hearsay but I was told the guy who bought Thoms old 54 RHD Deluxe sent his barndoor spindles to Wolfgang for modification. I never looked into this or anything but it would be easy to call them and verify. Good luck |
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Peter - Belgium Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2003 Posts: 762 Location: Brussels - Belgium
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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The barndoor spindles are not flipped yet, see pic
As far as I can see in the pic they look similar (the principle) to the later spindles so I would think the same can be done with these spindles as with later spindles to lower them.
I was told that the BarnDoor spindles have a dampening portion in the form of a2 inch coil spring looking part in the center of the kingpins somewhere. On a later spindle you would see just a spacer block in the same place... But no-one has been able to confirm this yet.
Is this dampening portion needed or can we replace it with a spacer as the later spindles?
55-63 spindles should work since they use the same 20mm linkpins, but I would like to use the BD spindles.
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MoneyMike Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2003 Posts: 415 Location: West Cochina!
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Funny I just had this conversation with BBJ the other day! The reason why we use the later spindles is for the brakes and the drums, they are much easier to come by. As for the barndoor spindle BBJ says if you flip a pair of those it will slam the shit out of your ride, they are just not practicle. |
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Hebster52 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2003 Posts: 1773 Location: Finland, Jakobstad
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BUCIOBATISTI Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2002 Posts: 6956 Location: San Diego, California, USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, that was it. The tie rod connects on the top, not the bottom like later spindles. _________________ Please check us out on Instagram at @holygrailgarage
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krusher Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2002 Posts: 7652 Location: europe
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:19 am Post subject: |
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_________________ (06:31:07) RoachGhia: "i drink dick way too fast" |
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mr. warehouse Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2001 Posts: 5001 Location: Nor Cal 707
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:48 am Post subject: |
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I've heard, but never verified or even tried, that you could use link pin Bug spindles and get the lowered effect. If this is true think of the options... |
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Hebster52 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2003 Posts: 1773 Location: Finland, Jakobstad
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Peter - Belgium Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2003 Posts: 762 Location: Brussels - Belgium
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:04 pm Post subject: Lowered Barndoor spindles |
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OK, I see the difference in the 2 pictures. The tierod connect on top of the spindle in stead of at the bottom, but other then that is is the same so in my opinion it should be possible.
What I do not get is why it would slam the shit out of your ride??? Flipping them should give the equal amount of drop as a later spindle since the kingpins assembly seems the same.
I could think of a clearance problem with the steering arm since this connect at the top of the spindle (but I'm not sure since I never checked in detail the BD body in this area)
Can anyone shed some light on the dampening part (number 25 in the BD schematics)? Is this correct since in the schematics I do not see any difference...
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Poze123 Samba Member
Joined: June 07, 2002 Posts: 82 Location: UK, Dorset
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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I've just dropped the spindles on my 563 Barndoor, pics available if anyone wants to see them!?
Basically the arm is on the top, so it raises the arm 3.5" higher, then you drill in the tie rod end from underneath, bush it - we (well my machiner) drilled if for later Beetle tie rod ends.
Not got the steering properly 100% sorted yet though, but i have driven it on a test run.
Cheers
poze _________________ 1958 Beetle Deluxe
Chopper & Tamiya & Sinclair C5 collector
EX Cars- 53 T2 Barndoor, 53 T1 Standard Golde, 56 T1 Golde, 57 Oval, Mr Wizzo Wizard |
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krusher Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2002 Posts: 7652 Location: europe
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: |
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[email protected] wrote: |
I've just dropped the spindles on my 563 Barndoor, pics available if anyone wants to see them!?
Basically the arm is on the top, so it raises the arm 3.5" higher, then you drill in the tie rod end from underneath, bush it - we (well my machiner) drilled if for later Beetle tie rod ends.
Not got the steering properly 100% sorted yet though, but i have driven it on a test run.
Cheers
poze |
Please post some pics _________________ (06:31:07) RoachGhia: "i drink dick way too fast" |
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MoneyMike Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2003 Posts: 415 Location: West Cochina!
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Lowered Barndoor spindles |
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Peter - Belgium wrote: |
OK, I see the difference in the 2 pictures. The tierod connect on top of the spindle in stead of at the bottom, but other then that is is the same so in my opinion it should be possible.
What I do not get is why it would slam the shit out of your ride??? Flipping them should give the equal amount of drop as a later spindle since the kingpins assembly seems the same.
I could think of a clearance problem with the steering arm since this connect at the top of the spindle (but I'm not sure since I never checked in detail the BD body in this area)
Can anyone shed some light on the dampening part (number 25 in the BD schematics)? Is this correct since in the schematics I do not see any difference...
Thanks,
Peter |
Why are you waisting time with the barndoor spindles anyway? What are you gaining by using a barndoor spindle? |
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Joined: February 08, 2002 Posts: 13335 Location: phila-DELFT-ia
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MoneyMike Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2003 Posts: 415 Location: West Cochina!
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UZI wrote: |
mike, who is standing between you and john solana in your avatar? |
Gibbs, That is the worlds skinniest fat dude! |
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jjlux Mr. No Show
Joined: May 18, 2004 Posts: 953
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Oh...............Hey miKe |
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