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Jody '71
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Glad to hear you found that little pre-heat pipe. Important part for warm air delivery to the oil bath. Guess it's up to you if you want to install the flaps and thermostat at a later point in time. But that stuff really needs to be there. AwesomePowderCoat has all the parts you need!!!
Also noticed that the vacuum port on your carb doesn't appear to be capped off. Maybe it got plugged when the 009 was installed. A nice refurbished original Vacuum distb. for '64 (or for whatever original German Solex carb model is on there) might be something to think about. IIRC they were 28's for the '64.
Great work so far!!
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61Ragster
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(Trying a second time....) Is there some alternative button or "momentary on" switch that energizes the starter solenoid?
Typically a light-to-medium gauge wire attached to Terminal 50 on the ignition switch hots up the starter solenoid when you actuate your ignition key to the far right position. The photo seems to show terminal 50 without any attached wire. The only brown wire I see is, or is likely to be, the ground wire from the windshield wiper circuitry.
In any case, good luck. Seems your luck has been great so far, with the incredibly nice ride you've scored. And regardless of what you paid. If I was there I'd have tried to outbid you! 
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flyboy161
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More detail, Ragster:
I removed the heavy gauge wire from terminal 50 of the ignition switch to take picture so I could read the terminal markings.
Given: car operates normall with ignition switch. There is a white cloth bound wire soldered to two red wires on fuse 8. One of these red wires comes from terminal 30 on the headlight switch and the other comes from terminal 30 on the ignition switch. There is another read wire that comes out of the main harness that is not connected to anything. The only wires that are not factory are the white and brown cloth bound wires.
Following the brown and white cloth bound wires:
White goes from fuse 8 (and the soldered mess) forward. Yes forward.
Brown leaves terminal 50 ignition switch and goes forward.
White and brown meet up near the fuse block and continue forward to a non stock hole just behind the gas tank that is filled with caulk. They pass down through the hole and disappear under the rubber floor mat inside the passenger compartment and go aft towards the battery.
At the battery, white wire attaches to the positive battery post.
Brown continues on and goes through the pan with the positive battery cable towards the starter.
Under the car:
The brown cable attaches via spade terminal to terminal 50 on the solenoid.
From the firewall two red wires travel to the starter. One is attached with the positive battery cable to terminal 30 on the solenoid. This IS the B+ wire from the regulator.
The other red wire with a spade terminal is just hanging there not attached to anything. I suspect this is the "start" wire that is supposed to go to terminal 50 on both solenoid and ignition switch.
In the engine compartment:
I can only see one wire coming through the hole in the tar board. It is the wire going to B+ on voltage regulator. The other wire I can only assume goes behind the tar board to the driver's side where it rejoins the main harness. I can't confirm this as the engine is installed, it's raining and I will be pulling the motor for clutch work this weekend. That is when I will fix this mess. That is when I'll have the time to sort through this.
But for now: apparently the terminal 50 ignition switch (red) wire is open or suffering from high resistance or shorted. The PO decided to "fix" the problem with some ancient cloth bound aluminum wire. I am an aircraft electrician and wiring is my speciality ( said tongue in cheek). I'll keep you posted with pics this weekend. I'm sure this was just a jerry-rigged way to fix a hard or no start condition.
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Jody '71
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Not to add to any further electrical projects but, it's always neat to see if the Sapphire AM radio still works!!! I'm sure the dash speaker is roached out if it's still in place and is original.
Does the interior radio lamp illuminate when you turn on the radio?? (checked when it's totally dark outside)) You can run the speaker lead off the radio to a known good working speaker to see if it puts out sound!!! Check the push/pull station buttons and the right knob for doing the fine tuning.
Those old Sapphires pull in great long distance AM signals late at night if you adjust the antennae correctly and the atmosphere is just right. 
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OK, getting clearer now. New white wire is main electrical power ( 6V+) from battery. New brown wire energizes starter solenoid via ign switch position 2/Terminal 50.
Original solenoid wire is disconnected at both ends, that is, dangling underneath near starter/solenoid, and obviously removed from ign switch term 50 and set aside, rolled back, or whatever. Original 6V+ wire is normally a heavy gauge RED spade-lugged wire that terminates at the light switch, ( and mine looks identical to the disconnected one in your photo). And it's source of 6V+ comes from the B+ terminal on the voltage regulator. Your photo of the engine shows a heavy gauge red wire in the vicinity of VR Terminal B+ going into the main harness (left side of photo) and forward to the trunk area. I can't see if it is actually disconnected from the voltage regulator, but I would highly recommend it, since your new white wire now performs the same function anyhow, and (and here is my original concern -----> ) because it otherwise is hot, unfused, and unswitched from end to end. If PO bypassed it because it was shorting out somewhere, then if still connected you run the risk of running down your battery (best case scenario) or burning down your car (worst case scenario, and might very well ruin your whole morning  ).
So please, take a look at V.R. Term B+, and let us know how many big fat red wires are attached.
Otherwise, all the other wiring that is visible in photos look just like mine. Only cleaner.... BTW, as an electrical type, I hope you can solder better than the last guy  . Still love that car though, regardless of lead/tin booger!
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Radios...UGH! It's in, it looks pretty, but I live by one steadfast rule.
"The proposed method of daily travel must: Stop, start and be safe"
After that rule is satisfied, I'll look at the radio.
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OK, getting clearer now. New white wire is main electrical power ( 6V+) from battery. New brown wire energizes starter solenoid via ign switch position 2/Terminal 50.
Original solenoid wire is disconnected at both ends, that is, dangling underneath near starter/solenoid, and obviously removed from ign switch term 50 and set aside, rolled back, or whatever. |
Yes. This is correct
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| Original 6V+ wire is normally a heavy gauge RED spade-lugged wire that terminates at the light switch, ( and mine looks identical to the disconnected one in your photo). And it's source of 6V+ comes from the B+ terminal on the voltage regulator. |
Yes, this wire is connected to B+ and goes to the headlight switch
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| Your photo of the engine shows a heavy gauge red wire in the vicinity of VR Terminal B+ going into the main harness (left side of photo) and forward to the trunk area. I can't see if it is actually disconnected from the voltage regulator, but I would highly recommend it, since your new white wire now performs the same function anyhow |
There is two wires on B+. One goes to headlight switch and one goes to the starter terminal 30. The "new" white wire and the "new" brown wire will be removed and burned! They do not belong!!!! They are not one with the body.
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| There is two wires on B+. One goes to headlight switch and one goes to the starter terminal 30. The "new" white wire and the "new" brown wire will be removed and burned! They do not belong!!!! They are not one with the body. |
Ahh, OK, but don't you wonder why the new ones were added , and the old ones were abandoned? I doubt the PO was just bored. Maybe put your multimeter in series in the hot-to-front circuit , set it on amps and check for any unusual current draws? I was also gonna say"set your meter to ohms and check for continuity also", but you apparently have continuity if the original B+-to-light switch circuit is behaving as it should. So was the red de-termed lugged wire shown in your photo the one that now connects with the light switch term 30?
Not trying to beat you to death, just trying to get it straight in my head... honest.
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Its all good. I've taken the wiring diagram for this car and "Doctored" it to show you what is there. The brown wire is shown and the White wire is shown as gray.
No I've not taken a meter to it yet, but I will. I check continuity first and if that's good, THEN we'll look at current. I use a load light not an ammeter. I trust the load light more and I'll cry less when a bulb blows as opposed to a meter.
I have two one more day of work this week (tomorrow) and then I'll have a 4 day weekend to go through the car. This last weekend was more of a shine it a bit and then work on my '58. But this weekend is for the '64...and my wife....and kids......and the dogs.....and........ 
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weekend is for the '64...and my wife....and kids......and the dogs.....and........the turkey.....and the dressing..... and the pie... and the Rolaids and the Tums .... etc. Understood. Enjoy! And good luck on the beetle !
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And so, keeping it simple, I checked the bulbs first. All were burned out except for one. Went ahead and checked tail light bulbs as well and they were shot too.
New bulbs from Auto Zone and blinkers and tail lights work. Headlights are working hi and low beam. Park lights and license plate lights work.
Next up? Brake lights and clutch. The clutch, I have discovered, has about 5 inches of free play and there is only about 1/2" of cable adjustment left.
New engine seal will be here Saturday sooo....motor will come out for that. Hopefully the tires get here soon. I'm itching to drive this baby.
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