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Lee Hedges
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Erik & other T34 owners
Most importantly, I'm happy to hear you've focused the T34 attention into one thread on theSamba. The more T34 discussions that happen, regardless of where they happen, is a good thing. I never understood why there wasn't a specific T34 forum since they are so unique. I hope you find the information & input you're seeking. There are a lot of opinions being shared and I'm sure it will ends up helping everyone's restoration.
Owning a T34 is tough. Parts are expensive & difficult to find. Cars for sale are rusty, incomplete, modified, abused, and almost never "original unrestored & complete". Prices for the T34s for sale are outrageous. So it's important to have many sources to contact when searching for the parts you're missing or the information you need to get a part replaced. Because there are so few sources for new/repro parts a lot of T34 owners find that "making-do" is often a necessity. Sharing those "make-do's" is really important.
As for the criticism that T34 World's forum isn't good enough, well that's hard to hear. I put a lot of work into bringing all T34 owners together regardless of location, style, age, or language. But I can't provide personalized help to every T34 owner, there are simply too many needy owners. We all make the best of what's available and work at our own pace. Owners that are in a hurry to finish their cars often don't get the fast answers they're looking for. And often patience & attitude make the difference between getting help/advice or not. T34 World was formed to offer an active organization for T34 owners & enthusiasts, and a lot of us are working hard to help everyone. I'm sorry you don't feel it helped you.
I wish you the best of luck completing your restorations. I'm sure there are lots of T34 experts on theSamba that will be willing to offer their experiences & advice whenever you need it: Martin, Bob, Scott Taylor, Jack Fisher, and I'm sure there are a few others I've missed (sorry).
As for your personal search for T34 dash pads & upper door pads ... 90% of owners are also searching with no reproductions and very few originals for sale at any price. You may want to contact Carsten Klein in Germany or Jurgen Magdelyns in Belgium, as they tend to have more inventory than anyone else. But if they do have these parts then don't expect them to be inexpensive. I'd expect to pay US$300 for an upper dash pad, $200 for a lower, and $150 for the upper door pads. |
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Erik G
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So, I didn't get a ton of pics as I was working on stuff today, too busy hustling as I told people I was getting the car friday, and I would be taking it to our local cruse spot Saturday night.
It was cool, not a ton of cars - It rained all day and scared a bunch of people off but from 6-10:30pm the weather was actually nice, not too humid, and no rain
I did lose a carb linkage piece while driving. I have always had a love hate relationship with stock solex linkage...Luckily supaninja is good with zip ties and an imagination. It got me home.
I really need to go through the shifter, bushing, coupler, linkage, whatever because even loosened up, I can only get rev, 1st and 3rd, and it's really quite interesting to try to find them lol. No speedo cable (in KPH anyways...) no wipers (motor works) in the rain...thank you rainex. windows down because it started and we bolted, and the window cranks are bug ones that fall right off. But it was good to drive a VW again. And it is not slow, even with the SupaNinja fix, 3rd gear and I was flying. I love it
So, when it was getting dropped off, some guy followed the transporter 6 miles from the freeway to find out what the heck kind of car it was. I went to the gas station and a guy follwed me to take a look. And on the way to go meet up with Nick, a guy leaning out of the window screaming at me "What the hell is that!" At the show, everybody was stoping and staring, a couple guys knew exactly what it was, and said I'd never thought I'd see one in Houston. Couple corvair comments until they looked further. Lots of nice peeps tonite. And of course, SupaNinja, my buddy Brandon from Florida, and my friends Steven and Lillian that should be joining thesamba and posting up their type 34 project in here real soon
there were more people than this, they just showed up late
I'm not doing it, but those wheels would look sick on mine lol
I'm spent for the night...Gotta look for my missing linkage tomorrow. Probably between my house and the gas station, so a quick bike ride will be in order.
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Erik G
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Thanks Lee. There is so much info on T34world.org and I do not want to detract from that. your newsletter is just...awesome. I stubled across another one of your older sites (I think) that had scans of the sunroof stuff. I'm sure I will be checking that out until my workshop manual arrives. Many type 34 owners are already here, and a lot of them have multiple type 3's, early, late. We are used to quick answers since so many people are already here. I wouldn't take the criticism personally, although that is way easier said than done sometimes. Bob is Bob, he's been here on thesamba forever, I know he did not mean that to be a personal attack, just his observations as he sees it.
Thanks for the thoughts on the parts I'm looking for. I know of some parts cars here in the states as well, but I have a feeling I will be hitting up Jurgen big time. I need sunroof cables  I don't even want to think about the price. Anybody need a kidney?? Or my first born that is yet to be born? We can work out a deal...I'm serious
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Erik & other T34 owners
Most importantly, I'm happy to hear you've focused the T34 attention into one thread on theSamba. The more T34 discussions that happen, regardless of where they happen, is a good thing. I never understood why there wasn't a specific T34 forum since they are so unique. I hope you find the information & input you're seeking. There are a lot of opinions being shared and I'm sure it will ends up helping everyone's restoration.
Owning a T34 is tough. Parts are expensive & difficult to find. Cars for sale are rusty, incomplete, modified, abused, and almost never "original unrestored & complete". Prices for the T34s for sale are outrageous. So it's important to have many sources to contact when searching for the parts you're missing or the information you need to get a part replaced. Because there are so few sources for new/repro parts a lot of T34 owners find that "making-do" is often a necessity. Sharing those "make-do's" is really important.
As for the criticism that T34 World's forum isn't good enough, well that's hard to hear. I put a lot of work into bringing all T34 owners together regardless of location, style, age, or language. But I can't provide personalized help to every T34 owner, there are simply too many needy owners. We all make the best of what's available and work at our own pace. Owners that are in a hurry to finish their cars often don't get the fast answers they're looking for. And often patience & attitude make the difference between getting help/advice or not. T34 World was formed to offer an active organization for T34 owners & enthusiasts, and a lot of us are working hard to help everyone. I'm sorry you don't feel it helped you.
I wish you the best of luck completing your restorations. I'm sure there are lots of T34 experts on theSamba that will be willing to offer their experiences & advice whenever you need it: Martin, Bob, Scott Taylor, Jack Fisher, and I'm sure there are a few others I've missed (sorry).
As for your personal search for T34 dash pads & upper door pads ... 90% of owners are also searching with no reproductions and very few originals for sale at any price. You may want to contact Carsten Klein in Germany or Jurgen Magdelyns in Belgium, as they tend to have more inventory than anyone else. But if they do have these parts then don't expect them to be inexpensive. I'd expect to pay US$300 for an upper dash pad, $200 for a lower, and $150 for the upper door pads. |
Don't beat yourself up over that. You're doing what you can, and your site is chock full of great info. But I think the problem is that most of the Type 34 restorations going on out there are multi- year projects, unlike Bobnotch's. People, myself included, tend to buy parts based on when they're available, rather than based on when we're ready to install them, because T34 parts are very "now you see them, now you don't". Thus, parts may sit and vendors get recommended highly for the simple fact that they're reproducing parts, with no hint as to quality because they're getting bought because "I'll need this someday".
I can tell you that the one part I bought and installed, the windshield seal from Pop, positively sucked. It was right before he quit production, and fell apart as I was fitting it to the windshield. So, I feel Bob's pain.
Type 34s are always going to be rare cars, and we're always going to have these issues because of that.
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That McGyver-pic is priceless!!! 
I can imagine that you weren't to happy finding out that you lost parts on the way over, but this solution deserves worldwide respect 
The Dutch KG club is a bit posh. I don't really fit in there. So I just stayed a member of the Beetle club, and those people are very welcoming.
It doesn't matter what name you club, site or location has, as long as it makes you feel at home.
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That McGyver-pic is priceless!!!
I can imagine that you weren't to happy finding out that you lost parts on the way over, but this solution deserves worldwide respect
The Dutch KG club is a bit posh. I don't really fit in there. So I just stayed a member of the Beetle club, and those people are very welcoming.
It doesn't matter what name you club, site or location has, as long as it makes you feel at home. |
Agree on all parts.
If you look at the lower open end side of the wrench, and how he got the zip tie and wrench to pull and stay attached...it shows the extra level of thought here. I forgot that to mention that this was done in the dark, with an IPhone flashlight app. 4 zip ties and a wrench. And, maybe less than 10 minutes from asessing the situation to running good.
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Erik & other T34 owners
Most importantly, I'm happy to hear you've focused the T34 attention into one thread on theSamba. The more T34 discussions that happen, regardless of where they happen, is a good thing. I never understood why there wasn't a specific T34 forum since they are so unique. I hope you find the information & input you're seeking. There are a lot of opinions being shared and I'm sure it will ends up helping everyone's restoration.
Owning a T34 is tough. Parts are expensive & difficult to find. Cars for sale are rusty, incomplete, modified, abused, and almost never "original unrestored & complete". Prices for the T34s for sale are outrageous. So it's important to have many sources to contact when searching for the parts you're missing or the information you need to get a part replaced. Because there are so few sources for new/repro parts a lot of T34 owners find that "making-do" is often a necessity. Sharing those "make-do's" is really important.
As for the criticism that T34 World's forum isn't good enough, well that's hard to hear. I put a lot of work into bringing all T34 owners together regardless of location, style, age, or language. But I can't provide personalized help to every T34 owner, there are simply too many needy owners. We all make the best of what's available and work at our own pace. Owners that are in a hurry to finish their cars often don't get the fast answers they're looking for. And often patience & attitude make the difference between getting help/advice or not. T34 World was formed to offer an active organization for T34 owners & enthusiasts, and a lot of us are working hard to help everyone. I'm sorry you don't feel it helped you.
I wish you the best of luck completing your restorations. I'm sure there are lots of T34 experts on theSamba that will be willing to offer their experiences & advice whenever you need it: Martin, Bob, Scott Taylor, Jack Fisher, and I'm sure there are a few others I've missed (sorry).
As for your personal search for T34 dash pads & upper door pads ... 90% of owners are also searching with no reproductions and very few originals for sale at any price. You may want to contact Carsten Klein in Germany or Jurgen Magdelyns in Belgium, as they tend to have more inventory than anyone else. But if they do have these parts then don't expect them to be inexpensive. I'd expect to pay US$300 for an upper dash pad, $200 for a lower, and $150 for the upper door pads. |
Hi Lee,
As said before me, sometimes people are looking for a fast and straight answer, sometimes just dont have the patience most needed for a restoration project (god knows i am one of those )
My personal experience with T34World is fantastic, whenever i posted a question or looked for parts i got a satisfying answer.
As for you, dear Lee,
Please keep up the magnificent work you are doing on T34World, as it is one of the most important places for us T34 owners.
lots of information and access to many other T34 owners with great knowledge.
Non the less, the more options one have, the better for all of us, as long as the politics and personal clashes (quite common on technical and professional forums) are kept out.
just my two cents...
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I'm in awe of Greg. He's like a walking encyclopedia of arcane Type 34 information. |
Yes he is.  I don't know where he got all of that info, but I'm glad he has it somewhere.
He even told me that Porsche 356 cables work for T-34 sunroofs, as he's already tried them on his sunroof clip. And since the Invasion, he's looking at grafting it in, on his own car (it's already in the body shop). I think I kind of lit a fire under him (well that and seeing 4 T-34's at the Invasion), to get his own car up and running, and driving. Or at least I hope I did. 
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Erik & other T34 owners
Most importantly, I'm happy to hear you've focused the T34 attention into one thread on theSamba. The more T34 discussions that happen, regardless of where they happen, is a good thing. I never understood why there wasn't a specific T34 forum since they are so unique. I hope you find the information & input you're seeking. There are a lot of opinions being shared and I'm sure it will ends up helping everyone's restoration.
Owning a T34 is tough. Parts are expensive & difficult to find. Cars for sale are rusty, incomplete, modified, abused, and almost never "original unrestored & complete". Prices for the T34s for sale are outrageous. So it's important to have many sources to contact when searching for the parts you're missing or the information you need to get a part replaced. Because there are so few sources for new/repro parts a lot of T34 owners find that "making-do" is often a necessity. Sharing those "make-do's" is really important.
As for the criticism that T34 World's forum isn't good enough, well that's hard to hear. I put a lot of work into bringing all T34 owners together regardless of location, style, age, or language. But I can't provide personalized help to every T34 owner, there are simply too many needy owners. We all make the best of what's available and work at our own pace. Owners that are in a hurry to finish their cars often don't get the fast answers they're looking for. And often patience & attitude make the difference between getting help/advice or not. T34 World was formed to offer an active organization for T34 owners & enthusiasts, and a lot of us are working hard to help everyone. I'm sorry you don't feel it helped you.
I wish you the best of luck completing your restorations. I'm sure there are lots of T34 experts on theSamba that will be willing to offer their experiences & advice whenever you need it: Martin, Bob, Scott Taylor, Jack Fisher, and I'm sure there are a few others I've missed (sorry).
As for your personal search for T34 dash pads & upper door pads ... 90% of owners are also searching with no reproductions and very few originals for sale at any price. You may want to contact Carsten Klein in Germany or Jurgen Magdelyns in Belgium, as they tend to have more inventory than anyone else. But if they do have these parts then don't expect them to be inexpensive. I'd expect to pay US$300 for an upper dash pad, $200 for a lower, and $150 for the upper door pads. |
Don't beat yourself up over that. You're doing what you can, and your site is chock full of great info. But I think the problem is that most of the Type 34 restorations going on out there are multi- year projects, unlike Bobnotch's. People, myself included, tend to buy parts based on when they're available, rather than based on when we're ready to install them, because T34 parts are very "now you see them, now you don't". Thus, parts may sit and vendors get recommended highly for the simple fact that they're reproducing parts, with no hint as to quality because they're getting bought because "I'll need this someday".
I can tell you that the one part I bought and installed, the windshield seal from Pop, positively sucked. It was right before he quit production, and fell apart as I was fitting it to the windshield. So, I feel Bob's pain.
Type 34s are always going to be rare cars, and we're always going to have these issues because of that. |
I'm sorry IF I offended you Lee, it wasn't ment to be like that. I mean I've gone to the dentist and had teeth pulled easier than getting some answers to my questions. It's like I told everyone here, and I think over there too, metal work is easy for me (I deal with it all the time at my day job), and living in the "rust belt", I see it all the time (it suplements my income). It was the seals, and other bits and pieces that were going to be my trouble spots, as I had never seen a complete T-34 up close and personal (and being in the mid west, there aren't that many close by to look at), and mine was in such rough shape (due to being exposed to the elements for so long), that I knew I'd have trouble getting it right. But, with all of the restos going on all over the world, you'd think some of the owners would have run into some of these problems already. I'm grateful for sites like T-34 World, and T-34.com (the T-34 Registry), as the archives helped out quite a bit, even IF the info was already 10+ years old and the suppliers were no longer supplying parts. It's like I told ravivos (on T-34 World), your parts list of suppliers helped me out quite a bit, in my search for parts needed to get my car back on the road. And even though it was old, and some of the suppliers gone, it still helped.
But it's also like Scott said, being on here allowed me to pick the brains of my fellow t-3 owners, in a more open enviroment, and kick some ideas around in a more open and friendly way. Otherwise, Tram and I wouldn't have solved my door glass seal problem. Plus, I really didn't want to get into a multi-year project with my car, as CRS works over time, and the longer it's apart, the easier it is to forget where parts go (even with pics to help the memory). Whenever I do a big job like that, I like to have as much of it put back together asap, otherwise you start loosing parts. It's happened to me on a few projects in the past, as you start cleaning up areas of the shop, or re-organizing parts storage, and the next thing you know, something's missing.  Then the project grinds to a stop until another part can be located. I hate that, and didn't want to let it happen with my T-34, as parts are already scarce for it. (again sorry for the rant  )
Like I said above Lee, I'm sorry if I came off a little gruff, I didn't mean for it to be like that. It's just a little frustrating when you need an answer (a simple yes or no will do), and you don't get a reply for weeks on end, because nobodies gotten that far yet.
As turns out, most of the Europeans re-use their existing seals, and here in the USA, we don't always get that option, mainly due to our weather extremes, and locations.
And yes Lee, my car was almost all of those things you listed; rusty, incomplete, abused, and even crash damaged. So Yes, I had my work cut out for me. Fortunately, it wasn't modified, unless you're talking about the small animals that called it home for 25 years. I got lucky on that one.
As for a seperate forum for T-34s, I really don't think it'll happen here. Mainly because they share the same rust issues that the T-14 KG does (I've looked, and they do), and the running gear of the T-3. So you almost need to look in the KG forum for rust solutions, and in this forum for mechanical issues. By Erik starting 1 here, I'm sure he'll get the info he needs, similar to the TOOB thread on here, or even the Melbourne T-3 Contingent thread. Plus there's Thom's 62 resto going on, along with John Kanter's build thread going on here too. And the link to my own build thread can be found in my signature.
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Apology accepted with a smile.
My reason for getting involved here was simply to promote the positive and discourage the negative when sharing your opinions about T34 World. I saw it developing into a bad thing. There is a lot of good being done by T34 World and I'm happy to hear/read the positive comments by Bob, Erik, and others.
The next edition of T34 World News will have a three-page article on the T3 Invasion. Thanks to everyone for sharing their photos. |
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The reproduction Porsche 356 sliding steel roof cables being offered by NLA Parts will work on the T345 and T346 cars with modifications.
I bought a set and am in the process of communicating the changes needed with the manufacturer. Basically, everything is the same--until the ends are assembled to the cable. The first problem is that the ends are smashed onto the cable a bit, which expands the spring winding around the outside of the cable, making it all but impossible for the cable itself to fit inside of the side guide rails and rear cable guide tubes on the Type 34. The other main issue is that even though the pot metal roof connector cable ends are exactly the same as the original Type 34, the cable is inserted from the opposite side for use on the 356. In taking apart one of the 356 cables, I found the process to be a bit abusive to the crimped on pot metal end. Since the 356 cables are about 18 inches too long, splitting the difference and cutting off the extra at each end results in a cable with a consistent and usable diameter, once everything is recrimped into place. It would be better to just get all of the parts uncrimped, then crimp them correctly the first time. I hope to have some info on what NLA can do, soon. I think the base cable cost is reasonable, $300.00 for a set--but the costs may increase to cover the customizations.
Lee - Excellent work on the latest T34 World News. I really look forward to these every month. |
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The reproduction Porsche 356 sliding steel roof cables being offered by NLA Parts will work on the T345 and T346 cars with modifications.
I bought a set and am in the process of communicating the changes needed with the manufacturer. Basically, everything is the same--until the ends are assembled to the cable. The first problem is that the ends are smashed onto the cable a bit, which expands the spring winding around the outside of the cable, making it all but impossible for the cable itself to fit inside of the side guide rails and rear cable guide tubes on the Type 34. The other main issue is that even though the pot metal roof connector cable ends are exactly the same as the original Type 34, the cable is inserted from the opposite side for use on the 356. In taking apart one of the 356 cables, I found the process to be a bit abusive to the crimped on pot metal end. Since the 356 cables are about 18 inches too long, splitting the difference and cutting off the extra at each end results in a cable with a consistent and usable diameter, once everything is recrimped into place. It would be better to just get all of the parts uncrimped, then crimp them correctly the first time. I hope to have some info on what NLA can do, soon. I think the base cable cost is reasonable, $300.00 for a set--but the costs may increase to cover the customizations.
Lee - Excellent work on the latest T34 World News. I really look forward to these every month. |
Most excellent information. Thank you
Some more thoughts and questions. I've read that the bus cable is similar also to the 356, on some 356 sites, so people are using them. The ends must already be the right position for them. Bus cables are relatively cheap at $135 each http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=523866 can you confirm? Please keep us in the loop. BTW it's Jurgen that posted his repro headliner and sunroof headliner on FB. let us know what you think. Lee just put them in his newest T34 World news
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I have cable ends in my parts box that I need to go through. To keep it in perspective, I do have access to nos 356 cables. He has 2 sets and is willing to sell for what he paid, $900 An old friends dad. He said go with the baywindow cables  Nick needed cables for his Notchback, also NLA. $400 from Anthony at ISP, cash no tax no shipping though.
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Erik - bought a set of the Bay Bus cables, too, and I can sorta see how they would work ok on a 356 because the cables insert into the pot metal cable ends from the same direction.
However, I still don't see how Bay Bus cables would work on a Type 34 because there are at least three other differences between the Bay Bus cables and the Type 34 cables. The pop-up lever on the Bus cable end is quite tall and would likely need to be shortened by a half inch or more and I'm not 100% sure that the same adjustment wouldn't need to be done for the 356 cables, but to a much lesser degree. The roof spring clip post on the cable end is missing altogether on the Bay Bus cable end which is the real deal breaker for me because getting one inserted reliably Into the cable ends is going to run you money. You're not going to be able to shift the roof spring lever over far enough to engage the inner lever retainer. Finally, the angle at which the cable end runs in the side guide rails is about 10 degrees from horizontal on the Bus cable, and only 3 degrees for the 356 and Type 34. Along with shortening the pop-lever, you're also going to have to adjust the angle of the retainer pivot pin. The sliding steel roof motor has to use the cable to push the roof section closed, so all things considered, using the reproduction 356 cable as a starting point makes more sense to me, the $30.00 additional expense notwithstanding.
And as a side note...it galls the purist in me to even consider hacking up a set of NOS cables to use on a Type 34. Hacking up a reproduction? No problem. Hacking up a set of Type 34 cables to get a 356 restored? NO COMMENT. |
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Erik G
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=518323& |
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| gregson1 wrote: |
Erik - bought a set of the Bay Bus cables, too, and I can sorta see how they would work ok on a 356 because the cables insert into the pot metal cable ends from the same direction.
However, I still don't see how Bay Bus cables would work on a Type 34 because there are at least three other differences between the Bay Bus cables and the Type 34 cables. The pop-up lever on the Bus cable end is quite tall and would likely need to be shortened by a half inch or more and I'm not 100% sure that the same adjustment wouldn't need to be done for the 356 cables, but to a much lesser degree. The roof spring clip post on the cable end is missing altogether on the Bay Bus cable end which is the real deal breaker for me because getting one inserted reliably Into the cable ends is going to run you money. You're not going to be able to shift the roof spring lever over far enough to engage the inner lever retainer. Finally, the angle at which the cable end runs in the side guide rails is about 10 degrees from horizontal on the Bus cable, and only 3 degrees for the 356 and Type 34. Along with shortening the pop-lever, you're also going to have to adjust the angle of the retainer pivot pin. The sliding steel roof motor has to use the cable to push the roof section closed, so all things considered, using the reproduction 356 cable as a starting point makes more sense to me, the $30.00 additional expense notwithstanding.
And as a side note...it galls the purist in me to even consider hacking up a set of NOS cables to use on a Type 34. Hacking up a reproduction? No problem. Hacking up a set of Type 34 cables to get a 356 restored? NO COMMENT. |
Awesome info. I will wait to see what you hear from NLA. I see what bob means by saving your posts and re-reading it a bunch of times. Very thorough detailing there.
No way would I spend 900 on some NOS 356 cables just to hack them. I just wanted to put it in perspective that 300-350 isn't bad considering what our brothers are paying...What good is a sunroof without cables and a motor? mines held shut by a pair of baby visegrips with a bunch of soft tape on the jaws. Maybe I'll undo it on nice days but it's been raining a lot lately
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gregson1
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=518323& |
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Agreed, cables are the least of your problems if you're missing everything else.
But then, I might be able to help you out with all of that, too. Post up some some pictures and let's see what you've really got. |
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