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Trevor P Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2004 Posts: 863 Location: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:52 am Post subject: Key codes |
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Anyone ever had trouble finding the key code stamping on BD handles? I looked all over the door handle for the 53 but can't seem to locate it. It's a BD handle with the 29 part# on the back so I'm pretty sure it's original to the truck. Logic says it should be stamped on the rectangular handle base but I don't see it. As for the treasure chest lock all I can see is a WV 345 stamped on the flange between the two mounting bolts. Does this sound correct? _________________ 53 Canadian standard oval
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Gustav Petri Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2004 Posts: 140 Location: NORWAY
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have the BUM handle using the BUM key, I dont think you will find a number on your handle at all. I just talked to Beetlekey in germany and for the BUM key and lock he needed the handle to make a key. "No cutting by number"
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Trevor P Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2004 Posts: 863 Location: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yes it's a BUM handle. I pulled the tumbler on it and there's nothing on it either. _________________ 53 Canadian standard oval
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69831 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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On my 54 truck the only place with a key code was the Treasure Chest door.
My 55 Deluxe only has it on the cargo door mechanism.
I can't recall my 55 Kombi but I probably never checked the codes since I had keys.
I figured this was how Barndoors were but more input welcome. _________________ How to Post Photos
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Trevor P Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2004 Posts: 863 Location: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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When you say treasure chest door I assume you mean latch. Where did you find it on there? I had a buddy check his NOS latch (later non BD part) and his code was stamped between the chruch key hole and the latch tongue. _________________ 53 Canadian standard oval
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EverettB Administrator
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Gustav Petri Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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On the BUM locks the only number I have found i here.
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Trevor P Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Everett that's exactly the pic I needed. That's where my WV 345 is stamped. I just need to get a key cut for this old girl now. _________________ 53 Canadian standard oval
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EA57RHD Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2008 Posts: 495 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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On my 53 Double Door Panel, I had Gabriel key all my locks the same. He cut the key by the key code stamped on my cargo door mechanism, so my door lock, cargo doors and T' handle are all the same cut. I believe the pins on the actual tumblers had to be set the same as well.
For your SC, your key should be cut to the tresure chest mechanism code. I don't think there is a code on the actual door handle, only a part number.
The lock and BuM key pictured a few posts up is my lock. _________________ ----VW's in my garage----
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Concept1 Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2004 Posts: 334 Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Trevor P wrote: |
Thanks Everett that's exactly the pic I needed. That's where my WV 345 is stamped. I just need to get a key cut for this old girl now. |
Trevo... Now anyone, including me, can steal your truck! Duh. _________________ C-1 |
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Trevor P Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure anyone with a paper clip and a screwdriver could steal one of these old beasts. _________________ 53 Canadian standard oval
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Concept1 wrote: |
Trevor P wrote: |
Thanks Everett that's exactly the pic I needed. That's where my WV 345 is stamped. I just need to get a key cut for this old girl now. |
Trevo... Now anyone, including me, can steal your truck! Duh. |
All you need is a 53-style key blank... good luck. _________________ How to Post Photos
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Gustav Petri wrote: |
On the BUM locks the only number I have found i here.
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Yes, this is exactly what I used for my '55.
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On my 53 Double Door Panel, I had Gabriel key all my locks the same. He cut the key by the key code stamped on my cargo door mechanism, so my door lock, cargo doors and T' handle are all the same cut. I believe the pins on the actual tumblers had to be set the same as well. |
True but only if they are not already set to the right arrangement of key wafers. _________________ How to Post Photos
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bill may Samba Member
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Scotty Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2003 Posts: 1531 Location: Northampton - Uk
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Ok, so 50-52 barndoors have this style key:
53 has a key same as top, and 54-55 the key on the right:
Is that correct?
What lock profiles are each type? Is the 50-52 a Y profile like a beetle handle?
And will the different lock profiles fit any BD cab handle? _________________
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I'd be curious to know the length of his tip.
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Scotty Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:01 am Post subject: |
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No one has any idea what key codes are used on barndoor cab handles? _________________
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I'd be curious to know the length of his tip.
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Rusting Hulk Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2002 Posts: 646 Location: Malvern UK
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Do you mean the early ones?
Mines got these keys, VW one side and Witte on the other... and the number:
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Scotty Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2003 Posts: 1531 Location: Northampton - Uk
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:05 am Post subject: |
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I'd like to know what code each type (early & late) of lock for BD cab handles is.
I bought a volcano key for my bus which had the driver's locking handle on it when I bought it, but it didn't fit it.
Like this:
Karl cut me a couple of keys for my lock which look like this (from memory):
I'd like to buy an early lock mechanism to match the volcano key I bought, but have no idea what to buy _________________
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:34 am Post subject: |
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My VW key book says:
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Key code # of interlocks Date
E,Z,D,V,F 4 1950 - 28.2.54
E,Z,D,V,F 5+1 1.3.54 - 5.8.63 |
So same code but the earlier ones have less key wafers and the smaller keys.
Split Bugs are key code Y for 46-51, then G for 52-53.
Both of these are also 4 wafers
I also saw this other thread in Split Bug right now too.
It has limited information but does show a Y-code key:
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EA57RHD Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Scotty,
For key codes, refer to Everett's post or Gabe the lock guy would be a great source for this information.
The 29 part number handle posted above is the lock from my March 53 double door panel.
The early buses 50-53 use this smaller Volcano BuM key which also match the engine lid T' handle and the cargo door lock.
The surface of the early lock cylinders do not have an indent like the later 54-55 style and according to Gabe, the early and late lock cylinders are not interchangeable. For example, if you have the early style T' handle 50-53 which uses the Volcano BuM key, you can not install the later style cylinder into it.
I believe the 54-55 use the larger Witte key _________________ ----VW's in my garage----
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