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thegoodfight7211 Samba Street Punk
Joined: June 02, 2009 Posts: 500 Location: Ashtabula, OH
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:22 am Post subject: Creativity: dying art form? |
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Seems like the creativity in everything is gone these days. This has really been getting to me.
All around us, everything's reverting to "retro" styling because nobody can come up with anything new. Look at clothes...retro. Look at new cars...retro! Modern mainstream music is a joke. Bunch of talentless hacks getting by solely on sex appeal. Seems like even the Super Bowl commercials, once a thing that seemed to have a lot of effort put into them, were disappointing this year from the few that I saw. Where is the color and flavor in life these days?? I've barely even been on this earth for two decades, and I see it...I think you're blind if you don't.
I personally think it could be argued that it's because of the generation raised on ritalin...hmmmm _________________ Percy: '77 sage Westy, 2.0L FI (GD), 091 trans
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DMNCLNR Sir Camp'alot
Joined: November 12, 2003 Posts: 2897 Location: Newport Beach Ca
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:08 am Post subject: |
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For the most part everything is catered to the masses. Americas public is at a very low mentality. IE Brittany Spears, Byonce, Soulja Boy, and reality TV... I think creativity is lost through convenience, which causes laziness. I do however disagree with the retro styling. I love vintage things such as V.W's, bicycles, clothing etc.. If you look past the bullshit music and TV of bovine America, there is a lot of good stuff out there! _________________ To his their own PBJ
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79SuperVert Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2002 Posts: 9758 Location: Elizabeth, NJ & La Isla Del Encanto
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:51 am Post subject: |
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There's retro for the sake of retro, like tailfins and platform shoes.
Then there's retro because it was a really good design and deserves to be revisited. Inexpensive cars that work well and are easy to fix never go out of style. _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
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chickengeorge Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2004 Posts: 5634 Location: Spokompton Warshington
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Creativity: dying art form? |
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thegoodfight7211 wrote: |
Seems like the creativity in everything is gone these days. This has really been getting to me.
All around us, everything's reverting to "retro" styling because nobody can come up with anything new. Look at clothes...retro. Look at new cars...retro! Modern mainstream music is a joke. Bunch of talentless hacks getting by solely on sex appeal. Seems like even the Super Bowl commercials, once a thing that seemed to have a lot of effort put into them, were disappointing this year from the few that I saw. Where is the color and flavor in life these days?? I've barely even been on this earth for two decades, and I see it...I think you're blind if you don't.
I personally think it could be argued that it's because of the generation raised on ritalin...hmmmm |
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Van-go108 Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2006 Posts: 2995 Location: Southwestern, NM
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:02 am Post subject: |
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What is life all about anyways? _________________ "Okay, so there's 6 beers and 5 of us. You know what this means don't you? 4 of you are going to have to leave."
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76973 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Creativity: dying art form? |
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thegoodfight7211 wrote: |
Seems like the creativity in everything is gone these days. |
Not in the cell phone industry. _________________ Glenn
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thegoodfight7211 Samba Street Punk
Joined: June 02, 2009 Posts: 500 Location: Ashtabula, OH
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:22 am Post subject: |
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DMNCLNR wrote: |
For the most part everything is catered to the masses. Americas public is at a very low mentality. IE Brittany Spears, Byonce, Soulja Boy, and reality TV... I think creativity is lost through convenience, which causes laziness. I do however disagree with the retro styling. I love vintage things such as V.W's, bicycles, clothing etc.. If you look past the bullshit music and TV of bovine America, there is a lot of good stuff out there! |
The "creativity is lost through convenience" is a very good point...necessity is the mother of invention a lot of the time, and if there's no necessity, then why have invention?
There's a difference between vintage and retro though, it's the reason we all drive old VWs here; and the actual old clothes, musical instruments, bicycles, furniture, cars...agreed, they all rule. All I was pointing out was that no advances are being made, people are just digging up past styling cues instead of coming up with something new.
And yes, as a participant and contributor to the underground music scene for the past 6 years, I definitely know what you're saying there. You're right, good music is indeed alive and well...you just have to seek it.
79SuperVert wrote: |
There's retro for the sake of retro, like tailfins and platform shoes.
Then there's retro because it was a really good design and deserves to be revisited. Inexpensive cars that work well and are easy to fix never go out of style. |
This is also true...same goes for cars as for pretty much any mechanical device made in the 70s. I was just looking at it from a creative standpoint, where--the way I see it--people in a position to come up with something new and innovative just look to the past and recycle old ideas. _________________ Percy: '77 sage Westy, 2.0L FI (GD), 091 trans
coad wrote: |
crofty wrote: |
kaiser wrote: |
i figured you guys would appreciate the frugality of the homemade soap. |
I like the idea but they'd go totally ape shiat over this in the Bay Window forum! |
Bay window owners? Soap? |
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thegoodfight7211 Samba Street Punk
Joined: June 02, 2009 Posts: 500 Location: Ashtabula, OH
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Creativity: dying art form? |
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Glenn wrote: |
thegoodfight7211 wrote: |
Seems like the creativity in everything is gone these days. |
Not in the cell phone industry. |
Heh. Got that right. _________________ Percy: '77 sage Westy, 2.0L FI (GD), 091 trans
coad wrote: |
crofty wrote: |
kaiser wrote: |
i figured you guys would appreciate the frugality of the homemade soap. |
I like the idea but they'd go totally ape shiat over this in the Bay Window forum! |
Bay window owners? Soap? |
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Vanhag Samba Mortician
Joined: June 29, 2003 Posts: 2606 Location: Desert Coast
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Most people rely on their gadgets to be creative for them. _________________ CU05 w/HBB
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marklaken Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2004 Posts: 2416 Location: fort collins, CO
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Creativity: dying art form? |
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thegoodfight7211 wrote: |
Seems like the creativity in everything is gone these days. This has really been getting to me. |
no way - there is so much creativity out there - you just got to make it yourself - don't expect to buy it at the store... _________________ Wish List:
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thegoodfight7211 Samba Street Punk
Joined: June 02, 2009 Posts: 500 Location: Ashtabula, OH
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:43 am Post subject: |
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I don't believe that it's nonexistent...I figure it's like the music thing, you have to seek it and dig a little bit. Only point I was trying to make was that it seems there was a time where innovation and good ideas weren't a commodity. _________________ Percy: '77 sage Westy, 2.0L FI (GD), 091 trans
coad wrote: |
crofty wrote: |
kaiser wrote: |
i figured you guys would appreciate the frugality of the homemade soap. |
I like the idea but they'd go totally ape shiat over this in the Bay Window forum! |
Bay window owners? Soap? |
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Russ Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 25187 Location: Central Iowa
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Intellectual Property laws stifle creativity.
Many are afraid that they will be sued if they come up with an idea, and someone else has already thought of it. _________________ Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!--Edward Abbey
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marklaken Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2004 Posts: 2416 Location: fort collins, CO
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:08 am Post subject: |
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Russ Wolfe wrote: |
...laws stifle creativity... |
or they require you to be more creative than lawyers... _________________ Wish List:
1967 Wesfalia SO-42 Parts Needed: Kitchenette, Cot Poles
'65 rear left beetle fender
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kevtherev Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2007 Posts: 897 Location: the 51st state
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hold the phone, you mean retro styling is a new thing...
I think not.
take a look around you, Architecture has always taken from the past. Clothing styles get rehashed, even food styles have been re-visited.
We are sentimental by nature, old fashioned things from the past, once thought of as vulgar or ostentatious become vogue when we feel vulnerable from our ever changing lives and social values.
yearning for a seemingly more stable past is picked up by manufacturers.
repackaging the past is creative in itself |
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Karmann_65 Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2009 Posts: 534 Location: Lancashire, UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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In the past, designers had scope to venture where nobody had gone before. Nowadays there's a commitment to staying in business by producing what's "needed" as opposed to what people might "want".
Taking the example of car design there definately seems to have been a point reached where everything is starting to look the same. Fins were fun, not practical. Bench seats,huge engines,chrome everywhere. Not much point to any of it but we all know now and knew then that it was exciting.
Jeremy Clarkson had a vaild point at the end of the last series....Has automotive technology and design really reached it's pinacle? Is this the end before whatever comes next? (Not a quote but that was the message).
Jellymould shapes now abound for sure but all the "modern day life" boxes are generally ticked because of it.
Wouldn't it be great if we could all be different?
The trend towards building a "resto VW" is perhaps an unspoken concensus that our beloved air cooled cars just aren't as commonplace as they used to be. There's a pride to be taken in keeping a little piece of history. |
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LeviMan2001 Samba Post Whore
Joined: April 11, 2009 Posts: 3855 Location: Alaska
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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There's just to many people in the world to be unique. "Look what I did!" "nope, that guy over there just did the same thing". _________________ http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=366056 - My '73 Super Build. 2332cc, 16" Fuchs |
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Joey Samba Member
Joined: August 12, 2005 Posts: 5366 Location: Nova Scotia - Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Like the Barenaked Ladies said.... "It's all been done before...".
_________________ Joey
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Iowa Mark Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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There is plenty of creativity out there. The problem is there are also so many more bland imitations of past ideas that we are constantly bombarded with, we are too numb to recognize truly "new" when we see it. About two second after a new idea appears, someone has jumped on it and offered up their version. Instant old news. Not quite the brainstorm the guy who discovered fire had, but unique stuff just the same. |
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lowbay Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2009 Posts: 131 Location: Mesa,AZ
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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i have this discussion with atleast 1 person a week, im an old soul for sure
i love old things especially from the 50's 60's and 70's, the music was way better inspired by way better drugs (not condoning them) the cars were still being designed by the people who wanted to drive them creativity in technology and everything else was really blooming, it would have been a much more fun time to live
in todays world, convinience has deffinately upstaged creativity... cars are designed by people who wouldnt be seen in the car they just designed
everyone is a "musician" because they bought the $9.99 dubbing software at walmart and everything else has been done they just keep relabeling it tv's, phones, computers, clothing its all the same old shit different smell
thats not to say there isnt new and exciting things happening, medical technologies in the last few years have been extraordinary as well as space exploration and the important things in life
screw convinience ive thought about it alot i could deffinately live without all the modern comforts cell phones, tv's etc... _________________ 72' deluxe
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Lee. Samba Animal Controller
Joined: December 22, 2003 Posts: 3079 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Creativity is always out there. It's available and it's free.
You just never know..........Someone had an idea and it worked out.........
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The Nike "Swoosh" is a design created in 1971 by Carolyn Davidson, a graphic design student at Portland State University. She met Phil Knight while he was teaching accounting classes and she started doing some freelance work for his company, Blue Ribbon Sports (BRS).
BRS needed a new brand for a new line of athletic footwear it was preparing to introduce in 1972. Knight approached Davidson for design ideas, and she agreed to provide them, charging a rate of $2 per hour.
In June 1971, Davidson presented a number of design options to Knight and other BRS executives, and they ultimately selected the mark now known globally as the Swoosh. Davidson submitted a bill for $35 for her work. (In 1983, Knight gave Davidson a gold Swoosh ring and an envelope filled with Nike stock to express his gratitude.)
The logo represents the wing of the Greek Goddess.The Nike logo is a classic case of a company gradually simplifying its corporate identity as its frame increases. The company's first logo appeared in 1971, when the word "Nike," the Greek goddess of victory, was printed in orange over the outline of a checkmark, the sign of a positive mark. Used as a motif on sports shoes since the 1970s, this checkmark is now so recognizable that the company name itself has became superfluous.
The solid corporate logo design check was registered as a trademark in 1995. The Nike logo design is an abstract wing, designed by Carolyn Davidson, was an appropriate and meaningful symbol for a company that marketed running shoes. The "JUST DO IT" slogan and logo design campaign communicated such a strong point of view to their target market that the meaning for the logo design symbol evolved into a battle cry and the way of life for an entire generation. Isn't it amazing how a small symbol we call a logo design can make a company into a huge success.
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