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johnshenry 
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Maybe they just kept stamping 4/52 for a long time... then got back on track in 1/53.
In the Barndoor Bus 16" wheel thread, the same gap exists. |
Possible. I agree that those far-in-advance dates make it odd that the 15"s were being made that much earlier. Question is, was KP or Lemmerz making 15" rims for other cars before Oct '52? Even maybe just the stamped center section? (prob not, since that is the part that is VW specific). Maybe its not so much a mfg date, as it is a tooling date? Who knows. Add it to the list of questions we'll never know the answer to....
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ZwitterND
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| ...... I was in the process of purchasing a new barrel form Gabriel, I noticed it was different from mine, sent him pictures & part #'s and he said that I had door handles from 1951....... |
Do you still have those pics? I'd like to see this oddity.
Did your old handle use a "Y" type key? |
Driver side #211.052
Passenger #211.051
Key # SG167
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ZwitterND
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Rim off my 11/52 zwitter
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Nessy
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| My October '53 oval has 3/53 wheels on it, so it continued into '53 even. As mentioned earlier, they must've made HUGE batches of wheels in this period. |
Same here, my September '53 oval has all its rims dated 3/53..... 
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Bruce
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| ...... I was in the process of purchasing a new barrel form Gabriel, I noticed it was different from mine, sent him pictures & part #'s and he said that I had door handles from 1951....... |
Do you still have those pics? I'd like to see this oddity.
Did your old handle use a "Y" type key? |
Driver side #211.052
Passenger #211.051
Key # SG167
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That's strange. There's nothing split about that. An SG key didn't exist unitil after the start of 1954.
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Bruce
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So far we have reports of :
three sets of 4/52 wheels,
a pair of 1/53s, and
two sets of 3/53.
Does there exist any wheels with months between these?
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bwaz
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| That's strange. There's nothing split about that. An SG key didn't exist unitil after the start of 1954. |
Bruce,
My November 52 beetle which also seems to have the original handles is SG169, maybe that idea that SG's didn't start until 54 isn't actually the case... or the "Y"'s had problems and have mostly been replaced by something newer along the way?
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ZwitterND
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The tee handle part #11382757 uses the same key and stamped SG167 .
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passoa55
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| Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:02 am Post subject: zwitter rims |
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My october 1952 zwitter vert has 3/52 wheels.
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janerick3
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| Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:57 am Post subject: Re: zwitter rims |
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| My october 1952 zwitter vert has 3/52 wheels. |
Are your clips bolted or riveted on?
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passoa55
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mine are riveted.
Pictures are here:
http://forums.pre67vw.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=14651
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velkke
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| My Dec,30 1952 zwitter has 4/52 stamped original wheels on it. |
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ZwitterND
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Does anyone have any information / documentation of when the decision was made to make the design change from split to oval? I am sure there had to be drawings, we have seen drawings of prototypes in the 30's are there drawings from 51 & 52?
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Bruce
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| ZwitterND wrote: |
| The tee handle part #11382757 uses the same key and stamped SG167 |
This proves it! The 9 digit part numbers didn't exist prior to about 10-11/54, so your handles are later oval ones.
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bwaz
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I think it proves that those numbers don't exist in your book... 
Anyone else with pre-54 keys that have an SG stamp on them? |
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Bruce
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I think it proves that sometime in the last 6 decades, a PO went in to a wrecking yard and bought a set of handles from a dead car to put on your car.
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ZwitterND
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I purchased the car from the original owner in 1975. Here is what he said had been done to the car other than scheduled maintenance (which I have door stickers)
Parts replaced by Hoffman/dealer: windshield (safety glass installed) and bulb type headlights replaced with sealed beam. Required by CT MVD.
Drivers side rear fender was replaced in 1954 after it was hit.
Original hubcaps were stolen in early 71 and replaced with some hideous JC
Whitney hubcaps with a big "V" stamped on them.
Ash tray was stolen in 1972 while at dealership getting serviced.
There was no mention of door handles or T handle being replaced, not saying it's not possible but the previous owner was a single gent that was pretty obsessed with the car so much that he named it"Junior". He only sold it because he was getting married.
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| I THINK THE NEW INVENTORY OF NEW EARLY PORSCHE AND VW WHEELS REFLECTED THE RELATIVE DATES OF THE PRODUCTION OF THE CARS. I HAD A VERY ORIGINAL 1/53 PRE-A PORSCHE COUPE AND THREE OF THE WHEELS WERE DATED 1/53 AND ONE IS 2/54, LAMMERZ. THE LATTER MUST HAVE BEEN A REPLACEMENT. |
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Zwitterkafer
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Rim off my 11/52 zwitter
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I find this wheel to be puzzling. April 52, but there looks to be a flattened area where the valve stem is....like for a tubeless tire?? Two of the wheels from my Nov '52 Zwitter are identical to this, and there is no VW emblem stamped on them anywhere......could these be for something else?
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:49 pm Post subject: dates on wheels and other parts |
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| My 03-53 Zwitter has 02-53 wheels. It is my observation from cars I currently have or have had in the past most parts predate autos actual mfg. date by as much as three months makes perfect sense when you think about it. |
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