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Merlin
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 Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:40 am Post subject: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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It looks 'bus', but the lines are a little off.
Do any of you have info' and additional photos of this curiosity, please? 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:54 am Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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Tempo?
Man, that 727 is stunning. 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:54 am Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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That is a Boeing 727-31 or "regular" version of the 727. It appears that Dieter there is "servicing" the forward lavatory on the airplane. He needs better gloves and a respirator! Yuk!
While it looks a lot like a cab off a single-cab, I think that it is NOT. Similar but different.
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Merlin
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:59 am Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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I found the photo on Facebook, where one other respondent also suggested that it may be a Tempo...
Style, sadly, is definitely becoming more anodyne as the years pass.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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i say roughly a 1960 ford transit. mirror arm and one piece glass windshield.
transit also had sliding window, and vent window.
hanomag and tempo were roll-up, tempo did not have round wheel wells.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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So the question I have is this. Is that thing articulated, or is there some sort of frame for the push/tow vehicle out of the photo to the left?
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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wondering about that myself. The actual bus would have had front engine and rear wheel drive.
maybe they put the cab on backwards?
or backwards over the rear wheels?
maybe just a ford cab on something completely different?
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busdaddy
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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That's why I guessed Tempo, weren't they front engine front wheel drive?, I figured it was similar to the Toronado based seaplane dollys used locally. But it does look articulated now that you mention it.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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That's why I guessed Tempo, weren't they front engine front wheel drive?, I figured it was similar to the Toronado based seaplane dollys used locally. But it does look articulated now that you mention it.
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i thought of that myself, however all the Tempos do not have rounded wheelweels. Could be custom obviously.
more searching, perhaps a 57 or older tempo?
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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Door, window and bumper sure look like that one, hmmm....
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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Sure does look like a Tempo. I was just digging around for a photo of a Tempo from the same angle with no luck. But this one is sure nice.
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That is a Boeing 727-31 or "regular" version of the 727. It appears that Dieter there is "servicing" the forward lavatory on the airplane. He needs better gloves and a respirator! Yuk!
While it looks a lot like a cab off a single-cab, I think that it is NOT. Similar but different.
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Bill we called them shorties and I cut my teeth working on them back in the late 80s. We got rid of the last ones in 1993. I've serviced lavs and here's the trick when servicing, always stand to the side when opening the flapper. The flapper is the last line of defense. There's a ball valve also in the discharge tube. A spring loaded dump valve in the tank keeps waste in the tank before it reaches the ball valve. That's not to say a wise guy can't load the tube so when flapper is opened you get a blue water bath. So actually its a triple fail safe before poop escapes. More info than anyone needs I know. You may recall they landed a 727 once missing the #3 engine, seems enough waste had leaked past the flapper forming a huge chunk of ice which came off and was ingested by the engine. It locked up and twisted off the pylon falling 30,000 feet into the desert. They found the engine and we looked at it pending the investigation. |
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Merlin
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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Well done, chaps, re: Tempo. 
That Toronado dolly is a super oddball.
I wonder what the conclusive statement was regarding that 727's engine... 'It ate sh  t and died.' 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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I wonder what the conclusive statement was regarding that 727's engine... 'It ate sh t and died.' |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:34 pm Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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| That Toronado dolly is a super oddball. |
There's a few variations spread around all the local airports with a seaplane ramp, there's also a 70's Ford 4X4 truck with the ass end missing that does the same thing, odd indeed but super useful.
Make sure you flip the pitman arm or the steering gets a little wierd.
The poo buggy could steer with the drive wheels, or the spindles are locked and the drag link attaches to the pivot hinge if it articulates, interesting adaptation regardless, and it has much more character and style than any modern equivalent.
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It looks 'bus', but the lines are a little off.
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Looks like the car jack-knifed, like the front of the car is against the bed of the trailer.
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Speculating how they might have built this: maybe they took a Tempo, lifted and turned the cab around, and left all the rest of the power train, running gear and chassis intact. So the biggest challenge would have been changing the driving and steering controls around.
In the Lufthansa example, the wheels under the cab would still steer, and the wheels at the other end would still propel the vehicle. One advantage of this approach would be that the power train would not have to be changed at all. Everything from the engine to the drive wheels would be left unchanged.
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Speculating how they might have built this: maybe they took a Tempo, lifted and turned the cab around, and left all the rest of the power train, running gear and chassis intact. So the biggest challenge would have been changing the driving and steering controls around.
In the Lufthansa example, the wheels under the cab would still steer, and the wheels at the other end would still propel the vehicle. One advantage of this approach would be that the power train would not have to be changed at all. Everything from the engine to the drive wheels would be left unchanged. |
I may be wrong, but I always thought the Tempo was front wheel drive and the rear axle was just drug around behind the cab with whatever bed was necessary.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: What is this?! Lufthansa support vehicle... |
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Found this just now...
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