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I only search the Vanagon parts, that would explain why I never find them.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| 4Gears4Tires wrote: |
| And they're not exactly falling off trees. I haven't seen a set for sale, ever. |
I did and bought it!  (found a pair in the Samba classifieds about 3 yrs. ago).
Power mirrors are going the same way $$$
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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Mine were buried in someones yard down in Miami. They may have fallen off a tree. I spent about 40 hours on the first one and with some technique, did the second one quicker. At 40 hours at 100 and hour, $1500 is actually a deal for 2.
Like most of us, I don't put a value on my time for personal projects.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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Huh.. No mention of the '85-'86 door change.. too e-z? Just forgot to mention that you need to specifically state what door you have when you order?
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came here to say the same thing.
perhaps they dont know. it's about an inch difference.
Im still waiting for someone to come up with a safari window kit for the rear window (with screen). THAT would be a nice addition to a camper.
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ezcamper
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| bobbyblack wrote: |
Huh.. No mention of the '85-'86 door change.. too e-z? Just forgot to mention that you need to specifically state what door you have when you order?
Meh |
came here to say the same thing.
perhaps they dont know. it's about an inch difference.
Im still waiting for someone to come up with a safari window kit for the rear window (with screen). THAT would be a nice addition to a camper. |
ad is updated with years.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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ad is updated with years.[/quote]
Inquiered about a set from ezcamper...
Searching the interwebs found this:
https://www.heritagepartscentre.com/us/251845712bk-louvre-jalousie-window-kit-right-black.html
same pic as the ezcamper site and says this in the ad:
"85-92 Fits RHD only Non Sliding Door"
Mines an 87'
Waiting for ezcamper to reply, wondering what the dealio is...
FWIW Ive been looking at these for years, even got a bay window set to do it myself but never did and sold off the windows. They will come in handy when its raining and we are camping. |
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dobryan
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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I’ve not measured, but the early LH drive has the same size middle window on the LS and the RS sliding door. In my conversion I needed to add material on all 4 sides of the jealousy window frame to fit my early vanagon.
The later vanagon visually had the same size window, but the LH drive sliding door window opening measures smaller. I don’t recall how much, but I’m recalling adding between 3/4 to an 1 inch on all 4 sides of the jalousy frame. So maybe it could fit the smaller opening without cutting down the glass.
I can’t comment on RH drive.
The measurements at the very beginning of this thread were not accurate enough. I ended up using the vanagon window for dimensions and had the local sheetmetal shop shear me new ones with my measurements.
As I said, it’s a ton of time to refurbish and modify these.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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"85-92 Fits RHD only Non Sliding Door"
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I saw that too and was confused. I know that the left and right side windows are different size on the later years. I would have assumed that this is the same for later RHD and LHD vans. Why wouldn't this window fit the later non-slider side regardless of LHD vs. RHD?
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ALIKA T3
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| Honuak wrote: |
"85-92 Fits RHD only Non Sliding Door"
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I saw that too and was confused. I know that the left and right side windows are different size on the later years. I would have assumed that this is the same for later RHD and LHD vans. Why wouldn't this window fit the later non-slider side regardless of LHD vs. RHD? |
It does, their wording is whack. It's the same posted in the classifieds here I think.
The left side LHD hasn't changed since 1980.
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ALIKA T3
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Aloha all!
Last year before going on my trip to Central America I modded my Bay Window Jalousie to fit the sliding window frame like seen here inspired by Ryan Keating. I just wish I had had enough time to make the sliding door window as well. They're awesome!
There's quite a lot of details left out in all these posts, so I'm gonna try to cover the ones I encountered hoping to inspire somebody else to do it as well.
I do love the fact that I can use the Vanagon window seal going this way.
So I took apart one of the many Jalousies I have collected over the years.
That's easy. The extra inner lips got erased by my machinist for a clean perfect finish.
I started to clean the parts with user friendly muriatic acid:
Brushing the old neoprene glue, somebody had glued on velcro strips for a mosquito screen
More cleaning!
View of the slat assemblies, that I will later decide to completely take apart:
Notice how the corners were glued together with some kind of polyurethane caulk or something that held amazingly for almost half a century 
I bought a complete seal kit as well to replace these baked horizontal slat gaskets
The challenge with all these seals and gaskets is that the groove they go in is pinched at the end to secure them in place.
So for these pinches, I used the rotary tool and a small drill bit
Some grooves were pinched way too much, so I resorted to use a tiny cutting disc as well as the tiny drill bit.
Time to paint the window elements. I really wanted to anodize the parts but that's not available in Hawai'i....
Got some "glass" cut. Plastic windows made of Makrolon. That's what was available locally. It's scary flexible but once in the window frame it's fine.
These frame pieces are ready for modification next.
I'm taking an extra old black sliding window frame out of my stock of parts. I kept the mint Westfalia window aside, unmolested.
Assembling the frame without the slats to see how to make it fit in the Vanagon frame
I cut a slice off the top horizontal part of the frame
Then I cut equal distant slices off the vertical sides
I had the unpleasant surprise to find out this was just the beginning of this job.... The radii of the Vanagon frame didn't match to make the window fit, still!
I cut little relief corners
Using an old piece of glass to draw the radius
Ok, it should be fine now, right?
Not yet buddy! The corners of the jalousie frame have a little lip I gotta get rid of....
A bit of filing, bc it was still not as smooth fitting like I wanted.
Ok now we're talking. It fits without forcing anything, just a normal tight fit!
Frame assembling time! I used clear silicone on the assembly joints
The glass is going in as well, with new gaskets. It doesn't fit very well, so it's necessary to cut the backside of the corners to make a good 90° bend. That's how it was from factory
I had leftover paint so I painted the rifle case to put on the Westfalia luggage rack. I painted over that later with a more beige color to match the roof so it's not an eye catcher up there during my trip in Central America.
Turned out I didn't even use this case at all, I find it very unpractical and I didn't need the space .
Installed a new crank gear mechanism
Bolted with stainless steel hardware. This wouldn't be possible when fitting the window the Bay Window way I read, so do it with caution if not using the Vanagon frame.
I forgot why I took these pics, maybe the crank gear mechanism didn't fit right in the hole? Looks off centered
Some last minute drilling bc the seal wouldn't fit in the groove well enough
Assembly time baby, that's exciting!! 
Glueing everything with clear silicone
Pop the sliding window out
This hobo stopped by. "Wow, is that a stove, and a fridge? Wow, and it has a bed upstairs too?!"
Closed for business
Notice the #10 USE-2 solar wires, pink and black, run behind the spice rack. No holes in the body, they come throught the Westfalia roof at the left side of the bed, through the board into the closet secret top space, and into the gutter channel, then down B pilar and I drilled a hole into the B pilar from the inside with a liquid tight fitting designed for these cable, wires go straight into a box I have on the inner side of the cabinet wall behind the driver seat, it contains everything solar related in there. SBMS , battery protect, solar relay etc.... You can't possibly do any cleaner, nothing is visible.
I also retrofited central locking with factory parts, speaker wires on passenger side. The kitchen light is now wired off the secondary battery under the driver seat instead of the courtesy lights on the cabin ceiling, and to a light on passenger side as well that I can have the sliding door switch activate or not when opening the door. I stripped the entire interior anyway, to remove the fiberglass and spray FluidFilm wax absolutely everywhere .
I didn't have an original screen frame in decent shape so I decided to make my own. The local hardware store doesn't make screens anymore, so I had to learn...
Et voilà! Screen is in, no need holding tab, perfect dimensions. I added a no-see-um sun screen later, not pictured.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| ALIKA T3 wrote: |
| Notice the #10 USE-2 solar wires, pink and black, run behind the spice rack. No holes in the body, they come through the Westfalia roof at the left side of the bed, through the board into the closet secret top space, and into the gutter channel, then down B pilar and I drilled a hole into the B pilar from the inside with a liquid tight fitting designed for these cable, wires go straight into a box I have on the inner side of the cabinet wall behind the driver seat, it contains everything solar related in there. SBMS , battery protect, solar relay etc.... You can't possibly do any cleaner, nothing is visible. |
I would love to see pics of this one day if you get a chance. This sounds so clean.
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dobryan
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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The measurements at the very beginning of this thread were not accurate enough. I ended up using the vanagon window for dimensions and had the local sheetmetal shop shear me new ones with my measurements.
As I said, it’s a ton of time to refurbish and modify these. |
I’m not sure why those dimensions did not work for you. I have done 10 conversions using them. But you have the right technique to match the actual glass dimensions.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| ALIKA T3 wrote: |
| Notice the #10 USE-2 solar wires, pink and black, run behind the spice rack. No holes in the body, they come through the Westfalia roof at the left side of the bed, through the board into the closet secret top space, and into the gutter channel, then down B pilar and I drilled a hole into the B pilar from the inside with a liquid tight fitting designed for these cable, wires go straight into a box I have on the inner side of the cabinet wall behind the driver seat, it contains everything solar related in there. SBMS , battery protect, solar relay etc.... You can't possibly do any cleaner, nothing is visible. |
I would love to see pics of this one day if you get a chance. This sounds so clean. |
Send me a pm on IG to remind me, I'll send you some 
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:26 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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Something must be different. I definitely needed to add material for the window to work in the LS stock opening. The original cuts just weren't accurate enough. So, that's why I decided to make my own meaurements. Cut twice measure once.
Alika needed no material added, so I am a bit confused. Same side of van. One with added material and one without. Perhaps there is some difference on the L/S too? No idea.
One of the better mods for camping.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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Something must be different. I definitely needed to add material for the window to work in the LS stock opening.. |
Alika mounted the jalousie into the original sliding window frame. Looks like you added material to the jalousie window to get to the same size.
Alika, thanks for posting your pix and explanation! I have two jalousie windows and frames anodized black and ready to reassemble. I had done some preliminary fitting and was wondering how to get it all together.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| Alika, What did you do with the little channels with the rubber seals top and bottom of jalousie frames? Leave 'em on or cut 'em off? |
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