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RareAir
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Here's a reference point from Progressive Refinements. Section A-2
June 1949 Rear View Window Now: plate glass Formerly: sheet glass
Another reference on early glass can be found on Page 49 of JT Garwood's Car of the Century, Vol 1. in it, it mentions "early Volkswagens did not use safety glass in the windows"
I'll keep looking through my literature. I know I read something about windscreens being plate glass. I'll get back on this thread when I find it
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In the lost another split thread they show a couple of splits that were wrecked, notice how the glass is completly gone?
If plate or raw glass were in those openings you would see large chunks of glass lying around. 
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johnshenry 
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| RareAir wrote: |
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| Please cite your references RareAir. |
Here's a reference point from Progressive Refinements. Section A-2
June 1949 Rear View Window Now: plate glass Formerly: sheet glass
Another reference on early glass can be found on Page 49 of JT Garwood's Car of the Century, Vol 1. in it, it mentions "early Volkswagens did not use safety glass in the windows"
I'll keep looking through my literature. I know I read something about windscreens being plate glass. I'll get back on this thread when I find it |
Yes, I looked at both of those references today. Seems there are some distinct terminology differences.
In the US, "Safety Glass" seems to refer to laminated glass only, not tempered glass. To further, "plate" and "sheet' seem to mean just about anything. Very early on, "plate" meant polished on both sides with no optical distortion.
See http://www.glasslinks.com/newsinfo/autoglass_types1940.htm as one example of popular definitions.
Like much of the Progressive Refinements entries, "Now: plate glass Formerly: sheet glass" is up for wide interpretation. I still contend that no cars were produced with non-tempered glass in the 40s or 50s, based on the wide prevalence of tempered glass, as well as the well understood dangers of splintering glass in cars since the 1920s. Just my opinion.
And thanks to lonotch for pointing out that both AS1 and AS2 were in fact both laminited products. I assumed that the reference to them in Wilson's Authenticity Series book was that AS1 (not acceptable int he US in 1949) was only tempered glass. I stand corrected.
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lonotch
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Here's a couple of things to think about with the original post.
1, Glenns car is a 47 which was never shipped to America for sale new. 49 was the first year sold here, the orginal post is for a 51 which could have been a imported car to America which would have required safety glass by law, with a laminated windsheild.
2, If VW did produce "plate" or "raw" glass for a windsheild I doubt any would be around today since tempered glass is 4 to 5 times stonger than raw glass. Raw glasss breaks very easy that's why people complain about breaking windsheild while installing. Laminated glass is also "raw" glass but it's the lamination between the layers of glass that make it safety glass.
We will find out within the next couple of weeks if in fact Glenn does have plate glass for a windscreen, We have a friendly bet on the outcome. (any other takers on this bet?)
I will take my tool down to his home and check it for myself and get back to everybody who is interested.
BTW Glenn did I tell you my tool is a sludge hammer? If it blows up it is tempered,  if it breaks into large shards it is raw .
Just joking, I have a lazar that will tell me if it is tempered or not, I also have a tool that will show if it laminated also and will give me the thickness.
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Burman
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Heard rumours that the 1951-1952 (cars with trim insert in the windshieldseals) windshields were slightly smaller to
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Jason Eden
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Turn on your tv now they are talking about glass on mythbusters they said the us in the 20's went to safty glass and other countries only used tempered windshields up till 94. Check it out
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Turn on your tv now they are talking about glass on mythbusters they said the us in the 20's went to safty glass and other countries only used tempered windshields up till 94. Check it out |
Too late. I was too busy watching the Chargers stomp all over the Cleveland Browns. Yeah baby 6-2! Next stop.....Cincinnati
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billmetric
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just for the info, my '52 Hoffman standard split has its original non-laminated tempered glass windshield with large SEKURIT logo, and the rear split windows have no markings on them, not sure if the rears are tempered or not but without the logo, I doubt it, I replaced the windshield seal and I think I remember Wolfsburg West asking me if it was tempered or laminated because of the thickness difference they take different seals, so at least one standard snuck into the USA without laminated glass, it was sold new in Connecticut, different states were more strict about safety laws, especially Pennsylvania, they mandated laminated safety glass in 1928 or something, and the inspection stations are supposed to re-check every car for it EVERY year!
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