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samstheman
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 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:12 pm Post subject: Best Carb for my 66 |
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So My ? is on my 66 not sure if my motor is a 1300 or 1500 or 1600
I was told its a single port numbers were machined off and rebuilder put new numbers on. The carb that came off was remanufactured by Tomco 30 pict 2/3.
I needed a new carb shop sold me 31/3 pict solex brosol Im using but found a guy at work with some other carbs that might work better. One is a solex30 pict-2 new the other is 30/31 solex new and he has some old OG carbs but they need rebuild. What my best bet for a nice daily driver. I think motor is 1500 but not sure. |
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glutamodo 
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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It's probably not a 1300. 1600 is by far the most commonly used set of pistons and cylinders at rebuild time.
If it was me I would run a 30PICT-1, the 1500 version with the high speed enrichment nozzle. (base flange number VW 105-1 from 1967, being the most common one)
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fla2smoker
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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| glutamodo wrote: |
It's probably not a 1300. 1600 is by far the most commonly used set of pistons and cylinders at rebuild time.
If it was me I would run a 30PICT-1, the 1500 version with the high speed enrichment nozzle. (base flange number VW 105-1 from 1967, being the most common one) |
And the 205k distributor to match the carb. 
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samstheman
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:46 am Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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Thanks for that combo my dizzy
Is a O9 no vac advance.
Is this the best running combo or the best because its for a 66/67 |
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Grizly1
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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| I just put on a H30/31 carb on my 1600SP. It has a Pertronics dizzy (009 based) and seems to run better than it did with a 30PICT-1. (I had the dreaded hesitation just off idle. I could never get rid of it.) No issues so far, but I have read of others complaints about that combo. Good luck. |
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glutamodo
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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Good quality centrifugal 009s (not Chinese made crap) on Single Port engines often run fine. But the best match would be the 205K (which, incidently, has a part number that ends in 009)
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pwmcguire
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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| fla2smoker wrote: |
| glutamodo wrote: |
It's probably not a 1300. 1600 is by far the most commonly used set of pistons and cylinders at rebuild time.
If it was me I would run a 30PICT-1, the 1500 version with the high speed enrichment nozzle. (base flange number VW 105-1 from 1967, being the most common one) |
And the 205k distributor to match the carb. |
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samstheman
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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so I found a guy selling 67 parts
205t distributor
r811 30 pict carb is this a good matched set up
for a stock single port 1600
better that 09 dizzy |
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tasb
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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| samstheman wrote: |
so I found a guy selling 67 parts
205t distributor
r811 30 pict carb is this a good matched set up
for a stock single port 1600
better that 09 dizzy |
That combination can work well. The distributor would be set static at 0 degrees. Vacuum advance distributors do deliver nice smooth performance in stock applications.
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Sharp64
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 6:18 am Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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| fla2smoker wrote: |
| glutamodo wrote: |
It's probably not a 1300. 1600 is by far the most commonly used set of pistons and cylinders at rebuild time.
If it was me I would run a 30PICT-1, the 1500 version with the high speed enrichment nozzle. (base flange number VW 105-1 from 1967, being the most common one) |
And the 205k distributor to match the carb. |
Technically, wouldn't the match for that carb be the 205L? Curious because I have a carb with the power nozzle and trying to determine if I need the K or the L or if it will really matter? The engine the carb came off of had a 205T on it that I could also use. Thoughts anyone?
I'm wanting to put it on a 1300 if it matters.
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Beetle 1966-1967 * 1300/1500
Distributor: VW 113-905-205K/L, Bosch 0231 137 009/010 > 315-905-205B, 0231 137 031
Can Use: VW 113-905-205M, Bosch 0231 137 021, 113-905-205T, 0231 137 035 or 036
Points: 01 009
Points Replacement Plate Assy: VW 111-905-227B, Bosch 1237 110 139
(Note: Order 01 013 Points when using this Plate Assy)
Condensor: 02 007 - Note: If equipped w/AC use 02 069
Rotor: 04 006
Cap: 03 001
Parts Kit (Shims, Washers & Hardware): 059-998-211, Bosch 1237 010 007
Coil: 6 Volt - 00 001, 12 Volt - 00 015
Blue Coil: 6 Volt - 00 016, 12 Volt - 00 012
Vacuum Can: 07 017
Ignition Wires: 09 001
Spark Plug: W8AC
Timing Set At:: 7.5deg BTDC Static or @ 800-950rpm w/strobe w/vacuum hose disconnected and plugged
Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum (Advance Only): 17-19deg @ 1.3 In. Hg, 24-28deg @ 3.2 In. Hg |
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mukluk
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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Question for the OP: is there any reason why you feel a replacement carb for the one you have is warranted? Are you experiencing drivablility problems or poor fuel milage attributable to the carb? Or is the quest for a "better" carb due to other concerns or factors?
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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| Sharp64 wrote: |
Technically, wouldn't the match for that carb be the 205L? Curious because I have a carb with the power nozzle and trying to determine if I need the K or the L or if it will really matter? The engine the carb came off of had a 205T on it that I could also use. Thoughts anyone?
I'm wanting to put it on a 1300 if it matters.
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Beetle 1966-1967 * 1300/1500
Distributor: VW 113-905-205K/L, Bosch 0231 137 009/010 > 315-905-205B, 0231 137 031
Can Use: VW 113-905-205M, Bosch 0231 137 021, 113-905-205T, 0231 137 035 or 036
Points: 01 009
Points Replacement Plate Assy: VW 111-905-227B, Bosch 1237 110 139
(Note: Order 01 013 Points when using this Plate Assy)
Condensor: 02 007 - Note: If equipped w/AC use 02 069
Rotor: 04 006
Cap: 03 001
Parts Kit (Shims, Washers & Hardware): 059-998-211, Bosch 1237 010 007
Coil: 6 Volt - 00 001, 12 Volt - 00 015
Blue Coil: 6 Volt - 00 016, 12 Volt - 00 012
Vacuum Can: 07 017
Ignition Wires: 09 001
Spark Plug: W8AC
Timing Set At:: 7.5deg BTDC Static or @ 800-950rpm w/strobe w/vacuum hose disconnected and plugged
Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum (Advance Only): 17-19deg @ 1.3 In. Hg, 24-28deg @ 3.2 In. Hg |
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Reading the info from Old Volks Home, it looks to me like the 113-905-205K and 113-905-205L are considered to be interchangeable due to their indentical advance specs -- either should work just fine with your 1300. You can alternatively use a 205T distributor provided you set your base timing at 0° versus the 7.5°BTC required on the other two (due to the 205T having more overall advance).
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samstheman
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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| Question for the OP: is there any reason why you feel a replacement carb for the one you have is warranted? Are you experiencing drivablility problems or poor fuel milage attributable to the carb? Or is the quest for a "better" carb due to other concerns or factors? |
My motor seems to be running fine . But everytime i show a pic or anyone sees it They say the 009 dizzy should be swapped for vac adv correct dizzy and a matching carb would work better. My car is 30/31 new Brazil and when its warmed up just drives fine. But always trying to make it run great. Everything I've done has improved it. Lately I found out heat riser on intake has been cloged and i fixed that by drilling out all carbon and patching tubes. Now once motor is warm it drives fine no stumble use to seem to drive like it was cold.
Then with purchase of old different parts i have to worry or they worn out also?
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samstheman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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So I think im going to use this carb seems to be working 30/31
But im thinking of switching my 09
to SVDA aircooled.net distributor but website says sold out
next best is SVDA with pertronix flame thrower
What are your feelings on this distributor
Dont mind buying and OG distributor just dont want to buy a wornout one
So new or refurbished seems a safe way to go? |
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tasb
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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Sometimes too much information can be harmful. The Oldvolkshome websiteis not Biblical, it has inaccuracies. The 113 905 205 L is a Garbe Lahmeyer distributor not Bosch. While they are interchangeable they do not have the exact same advance curve. The GL is a great distributor.
The 113 905 205 K distributor and and the 30 PICT 1 carburetor are the best match because they were VW factory designed to work together.
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Sharp64
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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| tasb wrote: |
Sometimes too much information can be harmful. The Oldvolkshome websiteis not Biblical, it has inaccuracies. The 113 905 205 L is a Garbe Lahmeyer distributor not Bosch. While they are interchangeable they do not have the exact same advance curve. The GL is a great distributor.
The 113 905 205 K distributor and and the 30 PICT 1 carburetor are the best match because they were VW factory designed to work together. |
Was the 205K the one matched to the 30pict-1 with the power circuit as well? Just curious. |
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Erik G
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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So I think im going to use this carb seems to be working 30/31
But im thinking of switching my 09
to SVDA aircooled.net distributor but website says sold out
next best is SVDA with pertronix flame thrower
What are your feelings on this distributor
Dont mind buying and OG distributor just dont want to buy a wornout one
So new or refurbished seems a safe way to go? |
the flame thrower is junk and John shouldn't sell it. In all fairness, he tried to get them to fix the problems, but they haven't
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tasb
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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Yes, the 30 PICT 1 and the 113 905 205 K are a match. Either with or without the power circuit the 113 905 205 K is the distributor.
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Sharp64
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Best Carb for my 66 |
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| tasb wrote: |
| Yes, the 30 PICT 1 and the 113 905 205 K are a match. Either with or without the power circuit the 113 905 205 K is the distributor. |
Cool. Thank you for the clarification. |
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