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kooldub Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:43 am Post subject: What would you pay for a 912e with... |
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300,000 miles on it . has a rebuilt motor out of a 914 still f.i. no ac compressor. body is good, no rust issues. interior needs tlc. i'll be checking it out this weekend and will snap some pics.
more info- runs good. it is a driver. everything is there. stock chromies. new brakes. resprayed 7-8 years ago, may need another paint job. 3 owners.
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Rescue912 Ferdinand Sanford
Joined: March 25, 2004 Posts: 484 Location: Indiana
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Don't sweat the miles, long as it was cared for. At least you won't be afraid to drive it _________________ Beauty is in the eye of the key holder ... |
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kooldub Samba Member
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that's what i'm thinking about driving it. i hopefully will get it for a good price. and only having 3 owners makes me think it was better taken care of instead of 10 owners with less miles. sounds like these are some nice rides to have for drivers. are they four seaters (w/ seatbelts) or just 2?
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Glenn Mr. 010
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The original engine in a 912E was from a 914... same engine.
The 912E filled the gap between the end of the 914 and nthe first 924s being delivered. _________________ Glenn
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kooldub Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:25 am Post subject: |
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yeah, i thought it would matter if it was an "matching numbers" type of thing but any type 4 motor is good!!
if the car is "clean", what's the most i should pay? i've seen on the 912 site that a couple of years ago that a poor condition is worth around 4ish but then i see others that "seem" low milage and clean for about 6-7ish. i guess i could always lowball him and go from there.
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Matching numbers is always better for value, but many times things are switched around on older cars.
If you're buying it for investment... get matching numbers. If you plan on driving it.. who cares. _________________ Glenn
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Bub Samba Member
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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4533 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
The original engine in a 912E was from a 914... same engine.
The 912E filled the gap between the end of the 914 and nthe first 924s being delivered. |
Uh, sort of.. Same longblock, but real Porsche serial numbers, (up to 2099).
They had AFC injection, L-jetronic, not D-jetronic like the 914's. I think they may have got a few more hp out of it.
BTW, I have a low mile ORIGINAL, mostly complete 912E motor, that I bought back in the 80's to put in my 912 Targa. I'm thinking of putting an original motor back in the Targa now, so this will be for sale..
I want as much as I can get. I'm in Iowa, but might deliver at my convenience. _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
Vanagons:
80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
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Dearindeed Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: what would you pay for a 912e with... |
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Only the fan housing's number matches |
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Wolfgangdieter Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2008 Posts: 1958 Location: FL Panhandle
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: what would you pay for a 912e with... |
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Can you pass links on the clean, low mileage 912E's for $6-7K on to me? Check here on SAMBA. You'll find $22-24k or a non runner for $12 plus shipping from HI. I passed on a clean one that just need interior and paint a couple years ago - because I thought $12k was too much. _________________ CMC '57 Porsche Speedster Replica and Dolphin boat tailed full pan VW MOD-T Street Buggy |
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Starbucket Samba Member
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69doublecab wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
The original engine in a 912E was from a 914... same engine.
The 912E filled the gap between the end of the 914 and nthe first 924s being delivered. |
Uh, sort of.. Same longblock, but real Porsche serial numbers, (up to 2099).
They had AFC injection, L-jetronic, not D-jetronic like the 914's. I think they may have got a few more hp out of it.
BTW, I have a low mile ORIGINAL, mostly complete 912E motor, that I bought back in the 80's to put in my 912 Targa. I'm thinking of putting an original motor back in the Targa now, so this will be for sale..
I want as much as I can get. I'm in Iowa, but might deliver at my convenience. |
How much do you think you will have to pay for a real 912 motor and have you found one yet? You must know that 912e and 914 motors are just VW's as REAL Porsche motors are HEMI's that's why they rev to 8k with full power stock and they are STROKERS stock that's why they have power. |
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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4533 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: what would you pay for a 912e with... |
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Wolfgangdieter wrote: |
Can you pass links on the clean, low mileage 912E's for $6-7K on to me? Check here on SAMBA. You'll find $22-24k or a non runner for $12 plus shipping from HI. I passed on a clean one that just need interior and paint a couple years ago - because I thought $12k was too much. |
Well, duh, this thread was last active 11 YEARS AGO. A lot has happened in the market regarding many different marques in the last 11 years. I often would see restorable 911's in the classifieds for $3-5k. Things change. There have been many good deals over the years. There are buyers and there are hesitaters. In the 70's I hesitated over a pristine Porsche 4 cam GT coupe because it had a damaged engine. Naysayers talked me into hesitating. That car is probably nearly a million dollars now.
One learns more from his mistakes than from his successes.
Al _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
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80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
83 1.6TD Vanagon, 87 Wolfie Westy daily driver, swap meet home |
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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4533 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Starbucket wrote: |
69doublecab wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
The original engine in a 912E was from a 914... same engine.
The 912E filled the gap between the end of the 914 and nthe first 924s being delivered. |
Uh, sort of.. Same longblock, but real Porsche serial numbers, (up to 2099).
They had AFC injection, L-jetronic, not D-jetronic like the 914's. I think they may have got a few more hp out of it.
BTW, I have a low mile ORIGINAL, mostly complete 912E motor, that I bought back in the 80's to put in my 912 Targa. I'm thinking of putting an original motor back in the Targa now, so this will be for sale..
I want as much as I can get. I'm in Iowa, but might deliver at my convenience. |
How much do you think you will have to pay for a real 912 motor and have you found one yet? You must know that 912e and 914 motors are just VW's as REAL Porsche motors are HEMI's that's why they rev to 8k with full power stock and they are STROKERS stock that's why they have power. |
REAL 912 as in type 616/36 are not hemis nor do they rev to 8000 rpm unless you put a propeller on it and drove it off a cliff.
A real 912 engine has about 105hp and peak power comes in pretty low, like 6000 ish.
How much do I expect to spend? Nothing. I have several candidates on the shelf. And a 2.0 911 engine too, but it's only a 7000 rpm one. I think the only 911 engine that would go 8000 rpm was a Carrera 6.
Don't be so down on the type 4 motor. In Porsche 2 liter form it had Porsche only heads with much bigger valves and when hot rodded for auto cross, bore and stroked to 2.7 liters, the pushrod 4's would beat a 911 engined car on a short circuit.
One could put a similar upgrade onto a 912E motor and have a pretty nice ride. Would it last as long as a 911 3.0 engine? Probably not.
Your mileage may vary.
Al _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
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80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
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Wolfgangdieter Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 5:48 am Post subject: Re: what would you pay for a 912e with... |
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Ha didn't realize a thread from 2005 was resurrected! Amazing how investing in Porsche ferrous oxide would have been better investment than gold. _________________ CMC '57 Porsche Speedster Replica and Dolphin boat tailed full pan VW MOD-T Street Buggy |
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Alan Brase Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 6:33 am Post subject: Re: what would you pay for a 912e with... |
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Wolfgangdieter wrote: |
Ha didn't realize a thread from 2005 was resurrected! Amazing how investing in Porsche ferrous oxide would have been better investment than gold. |
Not amazing at all. A blind man could have seen it coming. And it's not the rust. It's the original paint that is valuable.
Gold was always over rated. Buy a 944 Turbo, or a 928. Anybody can see they are glorious, well built cars. The market will come around later. But buy it because you FEEL the quality, the experience. Follow your gut, not your head.
Al _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
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80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
83 1.6TD Vanagon, 87 Wolfie Westy daily driver, swap meet home |
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waxhead Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2004 Posts: 946 Location: Philly 'burbs
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: what would you pay for a 912e with... |
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Don't you love when these old posts come back to life and get everyone confused.
Regarding an under-valued Porsche - just don't buy a 914, no matter how many people say they are the next one to rise in value. They are just too damn ugly - I don't care how well they handle! _________________ Mike B. |
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Bleyseng Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2005 Posts: 4752 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 7:57 am Post subject: Re: what would you pay for a 912e with... |
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waxhead wrote: |
Don't you love when these old posts come back to life and get everyone confused.
Regarding an under-valued Porsche - just don't buy a 914, no matter how many people say they are the next one to rise in value. They are just too damn ugly - I don't care how well they handle! |
and you own a Thing! Haha. _________________ 70 Ghia Black convert-9/69 build date-stock w/133k 1600 SP-barn find now with a rebuilt tranny and engine
77 Westy 2.0L w/Ljet, Camper Special engine-95hp and with LSD!(sold)
76 Porsche 914 2.1L L20c, 120hp Djet (sold)
87 Syncro Westy Titan Red 2.1L 2 knob 100k miles |
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Wolfgangdieter Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: What would you pay for a 912e with... |
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Had a '72 914 - best handling car ever with Bilsteins, anti-sway bars, Fuchs alloys and Michelin XAS radials. Would love to have both '76 914 and 912E in garage. _________________ CMC '57 Porsche Speedster Replica and Dolphin boat tailed full pan VW MOD-T Street Buggy |
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