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DAIZEE Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2010 Posts: 7552 Location: Greater Toronto Area Ontario West Side
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Do you think that in the "story" deal, he'll name the names of all who were deviant? There must be a lot of nervous people in the world these days. All this publicity could be making all "user" people nervous, once the dam springs a leak, there'll be a lot of water. _________________ '09 2.5L Jetta 5 cylinder, 5 spd, super turbo, see thread in H2O Cooled Jetta, etc...
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johnnypan Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 7431 Location: sackamenna
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Armstrong is a sociopath...regardless if he rides a bike,sponsors a charity or builds a space shuttle outta toothpicks he's a loser.. |
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Zeen Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2004 Posts: 1308 Location: The Sunny Part of Michigan
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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79SuperVert wrote: |
I remember hearing the first accusations of Lance doping coming from the French press years ago. Could be sour grapes after he started winning TDF's or could be they knew something. |
The French knew about Lance because they knew EVERY ONE of the top riders was using. They went after Lance because of sour grapes. _________________ The consequences of your decisions should not be confused with fate. |
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The Sage Samba Member
Joined: December 10, 2005 Posts: 2470 Location: Traverse City
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iowegian Samba Curmudgeon
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 9830 Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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My big question is this: how did Armstrong's bicycling skillz (or lack thereof)
help the USPS's bottom line? (and therefore BWD's retirement fund) |
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jmsmilin Samba's Most Posted
Joined: November 10, 2005 Posts: 3302 Location: Out on Pa-troll.
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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ALLWAGONS wrote: |
So much for LIESTRONG! |
Ha, yeah...
...but even with all the dope, most fools couldnt even dream about winning, still took hard work, and he actually did blood transfusions? Hardcore. _________________ Der Schmutzige Süden.
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jmsmilin Samba's Most Posted
Joined: November 10, 2005 Posts: 3302 Location: Out on Pa-troll.
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
Lets stay on topic... if you want to bash the French please do it somewhere else.
Thank you. |
green light to start a separate french bashing thread? _________________ Der Schmutzige Süden.
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76976 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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jmsmilin wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
Lets stay on topic... if you want to bash the French please do it somewhere else.
Thank you. |
green light to start a separate french bashing thread? |
Somewhere else other than the Samba _________________ Glenn
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15316 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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iowegian wrote: |
My big question is this: how did Armstrong's bicycling skillz (or lack thereof)
help the USPS's bottom line? (and therefore BWD's retirement fund) |
It is difficult to measure the increased business from advertising. USPS only sponsored him for the advertising benifit of him wearing the logo. They didn't have anything to say about what he did or didn't do. No different then NASCAR. Companies pay to put their logo on the side of the race car and have no further imput on what happens. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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Culito 11010101
Joined: December 07, 2006 Posts: 5867 Location: Columbia Missourah
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79SuperVert Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2002 Posts: 9758 Location: Elizabeth, NJ & La Isla Del Encanto
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
It is difficult to measure the increased business from advertising. USPS only sponsored him for the advertising benefit of him wearing the logo. |
Since no one outside of the US can use the USPS to mail anything, the only benefit presumably accrues from exposure in the US, assuming we are sitting around trying to decide whether to mail a letter by the US Mail, or send it by United Parcel or FedEx, and further assuming that we would decide to use the USPS if we saw the USPS logo on bike racing coverage.
Sounds like a stretch to me, especially considering how much money the USPS spent on sponsoring the team and how little interest bike racing generates in the US other than when Lance raced. Even the New York Times which I read every day didn't cover any but the two or three biggest bike races, and didn't even post race results for any other races. USPS could have gotten more advertising bang for the buck using blimps. _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
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drscope Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2007 Posts: 15273 Location: Baltimore, Maryland USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Reading through the first page of this thread I couldn't help of being reminded of another person looking directly into the camera, shaking his finger and saying "I did not have sex with that woman!"
First off, I'm not fond of cheaters. But shouldn't they have had something in place to discover this years ago? A blood test like the Olympics?
Basically if they can't detect it, then they really can't say its cheating because they have no way of policing it.
Its competition, you get away with what ever you can to win. If he found a way to do it and get away with it, maybe the real blame is on the organizers and their inability to enforce their own rules.
As for him not being a nice guy, well nice guys finish last. In real competition you have to be an SOB to get to the top - just like in business and politics.
But basically when it comes to Lance and most other professional athletes, I just don't give a crap. _________________ Mother Nature is a Mean Evil Bitch! |
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79SuperVert Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2002 Posts: 9758 Location: Elizabeth, NJ & La Isla Del Encanto
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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drscope wrote: |
In real competition you have to be an SOB to get to the top - just like in business and politics. |
You can be an SOB as far as the racing goes, and then be a decent human being off the bike. There are lots of cycling stars like that. _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76976 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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79SuperVert wrote: |
You can be an SOB as far as the racing goes, and then be a decent human being off the bike. There are lots of cycling stars like that. |
Like Dale Earnhart? _________________ Glenn
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79SuperVert Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2002 Posts: 9758 Location: Elizabeth, NJ & La Isla Del Encanto
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I don't follow auto racing, but Earnhardt's biography entry in Wiki is quite a read.
The first cyclist that came to my mind is Eddy Merckx, but there's many others. Eddy was a remarkably gifted cyclist, the "Cannibal" on the bike but a modest and quiet person always willing to speak to the press off the bike. He has stayed involved in bike racing, is involved in numerous cycling projects, builds his own brand of bikes, and is involved in some charities as well.
There were some doping controversies around him, but that was such a different time and the doping technology was so primitive. Who's to say what a man like Merckx might have done if he was racing today? My point is just that here is a man who is still considered one of the greatest cyclists of all time and who remained a modest and approachable person throughout, unlike the subject of this thread. _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76976 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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79SuperVert wrote: |
Well, I don't follow auto racing, but Earnhardt's biography entry in Wiki is quite a read. |
His nickname was the "intimidator". He was ruthless on the track. _________________ Glenn
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79SuperVert Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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I guess he was a nice guy off the track. _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
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iowegian Samba Curmudgeon
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 9830 Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
79SuperVert wrote: |
Well, I don't follow auto racing, but Earnhardt's biography entry in Wiki is quite a read. |
His nickname was the "intimidator". He was ruthless on the track. |
A lot of good that did him, huh? |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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SuperVert
The USPS doesn't car about weather you choose USPS or UPS or FedEx to deliver only one package. The corperate side is another story. USPS might have made a deal with Nike on co-sponsorship in exchange on Nike shipping 500,000 pairs of shoes through the mail, or mailing 10,000,000 advertisement flyers out to homes across America. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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drscope Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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79SuperVert wrote: |
drscope wrote: |
In real competition you have to be an SOB to get to the top - just like in business and politics. |
You can be an SOB as far as the racing goes, and then be a decent human being off the bike. There are lots of cycling stars like that. |
I would suspect that almost any sport is like that. The player may be a nice guy in interviews and on camera but behind closed doors he would cut your balls off in an instant if it meant a better chance at a sponsorship deal.
So basically it comes down to whether you feel better if the guy smiles for the cameras while he screws you then you do if he is nasty when he screws you.
Either way YOU still get screwed!
Professional racing of any kind is not like hobby racing. You can be the good guy in hobby racing because there really isn’t anything at stake. But in the professional arena there is so much more then your talent to perform at the sport that most of them really have to fight hard to be there and to stay there.
In motor sports there are lots of examples of very talented drivers who never get the chance at a big time ride because they just can’t do the PR or perform in front of the cameras. Many of those guys can drive circles around the pros, but they don’t get that seat because the pros know how to screw you out of the spot light. _________________ Mother Nature is a Mean Evil Bitch! |
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