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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:25 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

Abscate wrote:
That’s actually the case on planes. The CVRs overwrite so you want them off after a crash. I don’t believe flight data has a battery power, it is powered off the engine generators only. Fact check?




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Summary - big backup batteries for critical systems including the data recorder, plus the data recorder should have its own UPS. The data recorder was apparently only off for a few seconds, possibly while it switched to backup power.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

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If they had time to shut down traffic, it makes me wonder why the workers didn't get off the bridge?


If the workers were all on the roadway filling potholes, maybe no one was at the car radio to hear the warnings?

They were subcontractors, their own entity, out of the loop of communication. An officer was on his way out to warn them, when the bridge collapsed right in front of him, any further out and he would have been number seven. Released traffic cam footage viewpoint looking down the bridge, one can see the cones blocking off the right lane, the trucks lined up against the guardrail, and the drifting cargo ship. From that perspective nothing appears to be wrong, and I’m sure they were unfamiliar with port operations, so I don’t think they would have been aware of the danger.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

Don't turn this political........

The President said the federal government will pay for rebuilding the bridge. (If I heard that correctly).

Wouldn't the ship's insurance be responsible?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

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Wouldn't the ship's insurance be responsible?


I'd expect it will likely take years before the insurers pay up in full. It would make sense for a government to pay to clear the wreckage and rebuild the bridge ASAP, and before the settlement is agreed, to reduce disruption to trade etc. The payout would then reimburse the government (?)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:05 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

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Wouldn't the ship's insurance be responsible?


I'd expect it will likely take years before the insurers pay up in full. It would make sense for a government to pay to clear the wreckage and rebuild the bridge ASAP, and before the settlement is agreed, to reduce disruption to trade etc. The payout would then reimburse the government (?)


The Dali is owned by Grace Ocean Private, a Singapore-based company that provides water transportation services. Dali is managed and operated by the charter vessel company Synergy Marine Group, also Singapore-based, and chartered by Danish shipping giant Maersk at the time of the incident… so yes, the settlement is going to take years.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

hark! is that the sound of lawyers jostling for position...

main thing is to get the shipping channel open asap
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:05 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

and so it begins...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/2-ship-companies-invoking-200-061718179.html
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:47 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

Preliminary shipping channel open today for continued recovery and demolition. Somehow you have to take a bridge off a container ship without killing anyone.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

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Wouldn't the ship's insurance be responsible?


I'd expect it will likely take years before the insurers pay up in full. It would make sense for a government to pay to clear the wreckage and rebuild the bridge ASAP, and before the settlement is agreed, to reduce disruption to trade etc. The payout would then reimburse the government (?)


Makes sense.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:42 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

My wife has to go to restaurant depot today and would usually take the Key Bridge.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

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and so it begins...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/2-ship-companies-invoking-200-061718179.html


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The limitation act "is regularly invoked, but much less often successful," Sturley added to BI.


Good luck then! Very Happy

Time for some lawyers to make money.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

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and so it begins...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/2-ship-companies-invoking-200-061718179.html


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The limitation act "is regularly invoked, but much less often successful," Sturley added to BI.


Good luck then! Very Happy

Time for some lawyers to make money.

Let the games begin…


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:10 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

finster wrote:
and so it begins...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/2-ship-companies-invoking-200-061718179.html


I especially like the citation of the Titanic as a precedent.

I don't think the iceberg was suing White Star Line, though...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

KTPhil wrote:
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and so it begins...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/2-ship-companies-invoking-200-061718179.html


I especially like the citation of the Titanic as a precedent.

I don't think the iceberg was suing White Star Line, though...


At least they aren't referencing laws/precedents from the 1800s. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

As sad as it is, It was time for a distraction....I wonder what's happening behind the curtains?
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2024 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

The sixth and final body has been recovered.
The bridge is scheduled to be open in 2028.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2024 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

I have been wondering when they were going to get around t9 do this.

They are going to use explosives to sever the beams that are hung up on the ship.....very similar to what they do to the steel beams when they create a controlled collapse of a building.

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/key-bridge-wreckage...20learned.

They could have started this process even a week after the accident. Yes, I know they were busy looking for the remaining bodies. However, this could have made it much faster and easier.

Mark the beams into manageable chunks/lengths, hook a cable/ put some tension on them to make sure larger sections fall in the right direction ....blast the sections apart to sever them and then use the big crane to pluck the smaller sections off the bottom. Ray
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2024 8:53 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

I know their concerned about the stored energy in the steel.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2024 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy Reply with quote

the crew have not been able to leave ship Shocked

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-69011124
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