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Who.Me? Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:25 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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Abscate wrote: |
That’s actually the case on planes. The CVRs overwrite so you want them off after a crash. I don’t believe flight data has a battery power, it is powered off the engine generators only. Fact check? |
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Summary - big backup batteries for critical systems including the data recorder, plus the data recorder should have its own UPS. The data recorder was apparently only off for a few seconds, possibly while it switched to backup power. _________________ Andy
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RUNKLE Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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If they had time to shut down traffic, it makes me wonder why the workers didn't get off the bridge? |
If the workers were all on the roadway filling potholes, maybe no one was at the car radio to hear the warnings? |
They were subcontractors, their own entity, out of the loop of communication. An officer was on his way out to warn them, when the bridge collapsed right in front of him, any further out and he would have been number seven. Released traffic cam footage viewpoint looking down the bridge, one can see the cones blocking off the right lane, the trucks lined up against the guardrail, and the drifting cargo ship. From that perspective nothing appears to be wrong, and I’m sure they were unfamiliar with port operations, so I don’t think they would have been aware of the danger.
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bigdog1962 Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2010 Posts: 1586 Location: Augusta, Georgia
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:17 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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Don't turn this political........
The President said the federal government will pay for rebuilding the bridge. (If I heard that correctly).
Wouldn't the ship's insurance be responsible? _________________ Oprn wrote: I'm getting to the age that any self propelled woman (no wheel chair or walker) looks HOT!! Oooo! look at that Babe! She made it from the dining room all the way to the TV room without help!! Hubba, hubba!! |
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Who.Me? Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2014 Posts: 2332 Location: UK (South)
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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Wouldn't the ship's insurance be responsible? |
I'd expect it will likely take years before the insurers pay up in full. It would make sense for a government to pay to clear the wreckage and rebuild the bridge ASAP, and before the settlement is agreed, to reduce disruption to trade etc. The payout would then reimburse the government (?) _________________ Andy
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RUNKLE Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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Who.Me? wrote: |
bigdog1962 wrote: |
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Wouldn't the ship's insurance be responsible? |
I'd expect it will likely take years before the insurers pay up in full. It would make sense for a government to pay to clear the wreckage and rebuild the bridge ASAP, and before the settlement is agreed, to reduce disruption to trade etc. The payout would then reimburse the government (?) |
The Dali is owned by Grace Ocean Private, a Singapore-based company that provides water transportation services. Dali is managed and operated by the charter vessel company Synergy Marine Group, also Singapore-based, and chartered by Danish shipping giant Maersk at the time of the incident… so yes, the settlement is going to take years.
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 8871 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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hark! is that the sound of lawyers jostling for position...
main thing is to get the shipping channel open asap _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect... |
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finster Samba Member
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 23014 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:47 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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Preliminary shipping channel open today for continued recovery and demolition. Somehow you have to take a bridge off a container ship without killing anyone.
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bigdog1962 Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2010 Posts: 1586 Location: Augusta, Georgia
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:08 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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Who.Me? wrote: |
bigdog1962 wrote: |
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Wouldn't the ship's insurance be responsible? |
I'd expect it will likely take years before the insurers pay up in full. It would make sense for a government to pay to clear the wreckage and rebuild the bridge ASAP, and before the settlement is agreed, to reduce disruption to trade etc. The payout would then reimburse the government (?) |
Makes sense. _________________ Oprn wrote: I'm getting to the age that any self propelled woman (no wheel chair or walker) looks HOT!! Oooo! look at that Babe! She made it from the dining room all the way to the TV room without help!! Hubba, hubba!! |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2499 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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My wife has to go to restaurant depot today and would usually take the Key Bridge. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 70532 Location: Phoenix 602
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RUNKLE Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2014 Posts: 4835
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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The limitation act "is regularly invoked, but much less often successful," Sturley added to BI. |
Good luck then!
Time for some lawyers to make money. |
Let the games begin…
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34912 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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I especially like the citation of the Titanic as a precedent.
I don't think the iceberg was suing White Star Line, though... _________________ Current Fleet:
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EverettB Administrator
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4382 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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As sad as it is, It was time for a distraction....I wonder what's happening behind the curtains? _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2499 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Wed May 08, 2024 5:38 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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The sixth and final body has been recovered.
The bridge is scheduled to be open in 2028. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 22142 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 6:22 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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I have been wondering when they were going to get around t9 do this.
They are going to use explosives to sever the beams that are hung up on the ship.....very similar to what they do to the steel beams when they create a controlled collapse of a building.
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/key-bridge-wreckage...20learned.
They could have started this process even a week after the accident. Yes, I know they were busy looking for the remaining bodies. However, this could have made it much faster and easier.
Mark the beams into manageable chunks/lengths, hook a cable/ put some tension on them to make sure larger sections fall in the right direction ....blast the sections apart to sever them and then use the big crane to pluck the smaller sections off the bottom. Ray |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2499 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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I know their concerned about the stored energy in the steel. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 8871 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Francis scott key bridge tragedy |
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the crew have not been able to leave ship
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-69011124 _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
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