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DUNGBTL Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2022 Posts: 343 Location: Ashland, OR
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2024 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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Funny story…
I spent several hours the other day trying to fit the ‘front’ bumper on the car. Wouldn’t fit the brackets. The extreme corners would contact the fenders long before the bumper was contacting the brackets. So I slid the brackets all the way out…the inside bracket attachments could bolt up, but the outbd ones were way off! It was a head scratcher.
Then I remembered! I had used the front bumper for the rear because I found (like many others before me) that the front bumper fits the rear of the car so much tighter to the contours than the OEM one.
I was trying to fit the rear bumper to the front and it will not fit! DOH!
So I ordered a single chrome Brazilian front. Since I intend to paint the bumpers, the single chrome will be easier to sand off. I have to say, except for a slightly wavy stamping (nothing a little Bondo won’t cure), the bumper I received is quite nice. Fits straight and square.
I took the OEM brackets and modified the mounting slots to allow for a full tuck…as much as they would allow before jamming in the fender slots. In my case, a 1” slot extension did the trick. The brackets got a dose of ‘drillium’ for good measure. ~1 lb reduction.
The bumper fit right and tight! 3/8” clearance to fenders, 2” to bonnet.
Next up is fitting the Kamei front spoiler and modifying it with an air intake for the radiator.
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H2OSB Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2013 Posts: 1423 Location: Modesto, CA
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2024 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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Looking good, my friend.
H2OSB _________________ (o\_i_/o) I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants. |
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Epilog79 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2009 Posts: 229 Location: Tigard,Oregon
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2024 10:03 am Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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I have been enjoying your build since day one. Your creativity and meticulousness are amazing. I have always been a fan of the 911 RSR look and adding those cues to your build are awesome.
My son and I went up to PNW Spring Meet in Puyallup Wa last weekend. There was this killer Subi Swap that used a front spoiler like you are planning. Here is a picture of how he did it. I didn’t ask what size radiator or if the cooling was effective. But sure looks subtle and stealth.
Keep up the good work. |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 10002 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2024 11:37 am Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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That Subi-Beetle has what appears to be a lovely early Porsche 911 wood-rimmed steering wheel!
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bruceo98 Samba Member
Joined: February 23, 2021 Posts: 525 Location: LA
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2024 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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That fits nice . When painting over chrome you should sand blast it and coat it with some etching primer before painting it for the paint to stick to chrome. _________________ I may not be the best, but when the top 10 get together, they all talk about me. |
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DUNGBTL Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2022 Posts: 343 Location: Ashland, OR
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2024 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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H2OSB wrote: |
Looking good, my friend.
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Thank you!
Epilog79 wrote: |
I have been enjoying your build since day one. Your creativity and meticulousness are amazing. I have always been a fan of the 911 RSR look and adding those cues to your build are awesome.
My son and I went up to PNW Spring Meet in Puyallup Wa last weekend. There was this killer Subi Swap that used a front spoiler like you are planning. Here is a picture of how he did it. I didn’t ask what size radiator or if the cooling was effective. But sure looks subtle and stealth.
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Thank you! I appreciate you posting a reply.
I came across that car somewhere on the web and copied a few pictures of his build for ideas and inspiration.
Will probably copy his air intake (I believe he’s maintained the OEM MAF to throttle body distance and is picking up ‘cold air’ from the side vent channel) and his exhaust (I like how low profile it is and how he maintained the ‘pea-shooters’). The whole car appears to be very well engineered. It’s very well done and it appears that the builder is a true craftsman. I hope to see it in person some day.
Rome wrote: |
That Subi-Beetle has what appears to be a lovely early Porsche 911 wood-rimmed steering wheel!
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Indeed! Keen eye Rome!
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That fits nice . When painting over chrome you should sand blast it and coat it with some etching primer before painting it for the paint to stick to chrome. |
I use a 36g sanding disc to remove the chrome…to get down to the copper (if triple coated: copper, nickel, chrome) then a DA w/60g and etch prime. That’s what I did to the rear bumper (which is ACTUALLY the OEM front bumper!)…
The new front is a cheapie Brazilian “single chrome” (chrome over steel?) and should be much easier to sand off than the OEM triple chrome one.
J.
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H2OSB Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2013 Posts: 1423 Location: Modesto, CA
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 4:38 am Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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I absolutely love the exhaust that guy used. Is that a one off? It looks like a VS, kinda. Flanges are very thick.
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 10002 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 5:13 am Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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Coolant lines from front radiator back to the engine mounted under the right running board for ground clearance- clever! |
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DUNGBTL Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2022 Posts: 343 Location: Ashland, OR
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 6:33 am Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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H2OSB wrote: |
I absolutely love the exhaust that guy used. Is that a one off? It looks like a VS, kinda. Flanges are very thick.
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I have no other info on his exhaust other than the picture. I assume it’s custom made. Even the muffler looks custom.
“VS”…?
[Thinking out loud] Send-Cut-Send could do the thick flanges and sectioned exhaust tubing can be pieced together to make the runs…I believe I can fabricate a copy, however I can’t TIG weld so it’ll probably be a JET-HOT coated MIG welded version. Ground clearance will be the primary design goal…although from what I’ve seen, the shortened oil pans are always the ‘rub-spot’ on these builds.
What he made is a work of art!
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H2OSB Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2013 Posts: 1423 Location: Modesto, CA
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 7:13 am Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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Vintage Speed _________________ (o\_i_/o) I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants. |
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Puppy67 Samba Member
Joined: October 04, 2022 Posts: 279 Location: Bristol, UK
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DUNGBTL Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2022 Posts: 343 Location: Ashland, OR
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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Puppy67 wrote: |
Agree, I'm pretty sure that's the Vintage Speed Super Sport for fitting a type 4 into a beetle (see link - |
AH HA! Good detective work! Thanks for the links.
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DUNGBTL Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2022 Posts: 343 Location: Ashland, OR
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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Kamei Spoiler
I bought a repo Kamei spoiler off of EBay 2 yrs ago just after dragging the DUNGBTL home. It’s been hanging out in the shop ever since, literally collecting dust. Here’s two yrs worth dust and debris from working on the DUNGBTL…
I inspected the piece after receiving but never tried to mount it. It’s very well made and finished. Surprisingly light and stiff. The stiffness isn’t too surprising as the compound curvature lends to increased stiffness. Made entirely out of fiberglass. Attaches to the bumper by three fasteners across the bumper center section and by ‘clamping’ either side between the R&L lower bumper bracket.
The plan was to create a duct to funnel the air directly into the radiator. A duct that allows the air from its opening to be channeled directly into the radiator. Duct to be attached to the inside and not have any attachments visible on the front face.
Porsche used balsa wood and fiberglass construction in the past on their race cars to obtain stiffness with lightness, primarily on deck lids, hood, and other body panels. I was going to do the same but found that .100” thick MDF is cheaper and easier to fabricate. It is heavier than balsa, but at .100” thickness and the amount used, the weight penalty is negligible. The MDF provides an armature to which I can cover with fiberglass to strengthen the joints and weather proof.
Many template iterations ensued along with hours of fit-up…not easy as there’s not a lot of room to work between bumper and apron.
I found an artist clipboard made out of MDF at the local ACE which had the right dimensions. It was cheaper than buying a .100” MDF panel online.
Duct construction was started by ‘tacking’ the lower panel to the inside of the spoiler. The lower panel is fastened to the apron flange. It was clamped in place to capture that position. Fiberglass mat and resin is used to make the attachment to the spoiler.
The two sides were bonded to the spoiler and lower duct panel using JB Weld.
…the top panel was bonded likewise to the sides.
After the duct ‘box’ was formed and bonded to the spoiler, the whole mess, bumper and all, was removed from the car and the duct was glassed in for added joint strength and weather proofing.
After remounting and leveling, the intake opening was laid out. Sliding the square against the lower edge of the spoiler and marking across the top of the ‘ruler’ captured the curvature of the spoiler bottom edge.
2” hole saw created the 1” bottom radius…1” hole saw was used for the upper radii.
I think it looks somewhat like the mouth of a Baleen whale!
The duct and spoiler will be finished in satin black. I’ll use SEM Trim Black for the outside. I’ve used this product on other projects and found it to be very durable. It’ll make the spoiler easy to repaint after it gets chipped up by rocks, etc.
Lots of finish work to do now!
Cheers,
J.
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bruceo98 Samba Member
Joined: February 23, 2021 Posts: 525 Location: LA
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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Came out great . You must be retired? You have too much time on your hands. lol. _________________ I may not be the best, but when the top 10 get together, they all talk about me.
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DUNGBTL Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2022 Posts: 343 Location: Ashland, OR
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 6:15 am Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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Guilty as charged! |
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DUNGBTL Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2022 Posts: 343 Location: Ashland, OR
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 10:51 am Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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Headliner material is in…
With the roll bar, there’s no room for the OEM headliner.
I would just paint the roof but it needs acoustic insulation. Color fits the car’s palette too…
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H2OSB Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2013 Posts: 1423 Location: Modesto, CA
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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Should do the trick
H2OSB _________________ (o\_i_/o) I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants. |
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bruceo98 Samba Member
Joined: February 23, 2021 Posts: 525 Location: LA
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 7:15 am Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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What color is the headliner going to be? _________________ I may not be the best, but when the top 10 get together, they all talk about me. |
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DUNGBTL Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2022 Posts: 343 Location: Ashland, OR
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 7:27 am Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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bruceo98 wrote: |
What color is the headliner going to be? |
This color…
…no over cover. The ‘jute’…not the foil.
J. |
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vamram Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2012 Posts: 7653 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 7:33 am Post subject: Re: The DUNGBTL Build |
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DUNGBTL wrote: |
bruceo98 wrote: |
What color is the headliner going to be? |
This color…
…no over cover. The ‘jute’…not the foil.
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So the foil side gets glued to the roof and the jute is the visible headliner? _________________ Eventually, "we are what we pretend to be.’”
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