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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Emil, all right - I will find more custom brackets to be made Laughing thanks man!

How about your project, are you still working on it?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

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Emil, all right - I will find more custom brackets to be made Laughing thanks man!

How about your project, are you still working on it?

Cheers halbug
yes I am. I have been prepping the body for epoxy. I have spent A REALLY LONG TIME researching, learning, and undoing mistakes. If all goes well my wife will epoxy the doors, hood, and engine cover next weekend. With luck, the entire car will be epoxied the following weekend. She has to do the paintwork because my eyesight has degraded too much for me to do it. Look for a lengthy and detailed post in my thread in the near future.

If you haven't already, check out "Project Binky" on YouTube. Those two guys are the British version of you and Antoine (TRS63).

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

This is really turning out great, well done ! Preparation and paper plan is the key there!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:56 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Thank you Antoine Cool

More paper templates:
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Side wall formed. This needed a little heat to form.
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Closing the rest on this side:
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The other side:
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Bottom half almost done:
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

That looks really good, no warping either Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Thanks Ian. Yes warping is not an issue, even after I completed the welding all arround. I spot welded everything until the seam was completely closed. I do not trust that this will be leak proof. So I will add a continuous bead CUSI along the outside. Outlet bung is also welded in.

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Now I am concentrating on the top half.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Did you ever notice that VW has been using tapers to fit together the fuel filler neck?
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I cut the top piece off and turned the access material away, creating back the original 5 deg. taper. Than shortened the neck by the amount the tank gets taller.
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I made a little stretching tool with the same taper and pounded it into the remaining tube on the tank.
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It worked actually without heat, very easy. It's all about the right tools, right? Laughing
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The two pieces fit perfectly into each other. Looks like VW did it Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Creativity and perfect execution 😎

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Thank you Antoine!

Today I finished the top before closing the tank next. Sorry Ian, I stole another idea from you. Jep! Phantom in-tank pump and return from Aeromotive. I just couldn't find space for the swirlpot.

I wanted to mount it to a flat so I took out the ribs from the tank top partially. After some trails on the old tank I decided to make some cuts and heat to minimize warping. It worked! CUSI welding is very different. The filler needs a lot of cleaning...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

you're welcome. You have done it very neatly reshaping the top of the tank like that. excellent work
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Thank you Ian!

After many rounds of grinding off the CuSi and re-welding I finally got the filler leak proof. The thing with Cusi is, that it wants much more power than what my welding machine is recommending. That is something I had to figure out the hard way. At least it's easier to grind off CuSi than steel Cool

If there is not enough welding power the CuSi just drips on the metal creating build up and holes in the weld material. More power and it started to melt and flow evenly onto the metal. Exactly how I wanted it to seal the tank joints. They are next.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

CuSi welding is no fun! Seems as is wants perfect and homogenous conditions. Many trails and errors until the bottom half was leak tight. And... the welding looks awful Embarassed

Next I fitted the old OEM top onto the aftermarket portion and the it was too large, especially in one of the corners. So I cut it and removed a strip of 10mm material. Got it to fit now:

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It's s time to weld everything together.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 2:41 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

My experience is it takes a number of days to get 'your hand in' on any type of welding, so I still think it is going very well. It is very exciting to see the halves of this tank finally going together.
Brazing with Si Bronze needs the steel to be super clean, I imagine Si Copper is the same. It can be good to finish sanding with 'glass paper', the light brown sand paper for timber that is made from crushed glass. Any left over glass fragments (silca) will melt into the weld where all other types of paper can leave a residue that spoils the weld. The other way to finish is with a stainless steel wire brush which also leaves a clean finish. Then after sanding or wire brushing, clean thoroughly with acetone. 'Cleanliness is next to Godliness' in welding.
I hope it goes well for you
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Hi Ian, thanks. Cleanliness is not the issue here. I have tried on fresh sheets of metal and had excellent results. It seems to be the inconsitency of the seam, because of the spot-welding on the back side. When it comes to having spots of thicker metals (spot welds) mixed with 0.8mm sheets and stretched metal portions things get messy. It is such a thin line between getting the metal warm enough for the CuSi to melt onto it and to burn holes...

Once you have a first seam of CuSi on the metal and try to weld again things get really bad, because the CuSi-seam takes heat away and in order to re-melt the existing seam you will definitely burn the surround metal.

Welding the top to the bottom I will have a consistent metal to metal condition, so fingers crossed the CuSi welding will give me less of a headache.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Good Luck with it! Really interested to see it, as I have 0 experience with this type of welding!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Every time I look back on this thread, I see you doing the most incredible work. I haven't really commented simply because I don't know what to say. Alot of the work is so far beyond my skill level. Just amazing! I really can't wait to see this when it's done. You're going to have one of the best performing Ghias that's ever existed.

I will say that I love what you did with the steering column. If I do another Ghia after my current build, I'm contemplating either a Mendeola or Ihmor front/rear suspension, but I've never liked how you have to re-route the steering column with both of those kits. Your solution to keep it looking stock inside the cabin is brilliant!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Era! I am not sure if I have the skill levels - I am just trying hard Laughing If this car will ever hit the road and I sure hope so, it will yet have to proof that all my ideas will work out the way they are meant to be.

Anyhow, those nice comments as you wrote help me to stay on it, even if its sometimes no fun. Thank you!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

TRS63 wrote:
Good Luck with it! Really interested to see it, as I have 0 experience with this type of welding!

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Hi Antoine, just come on by Cool You are always welcome. Maybe if you drive to the North you can plan for a break at my house. Up to you!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

That sounds good! Which region are you? I will go to Bad Camberg (with the split beetle) in June, and to Saarland (with the 914) in July, maybe we can make it work Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:34 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Bad Camberg is not far away from where I live, close to Mainz...
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