Accelerator cable tube location with the carb mount

[crankbait09]

Over the winter I decided to remove my engine, and so some seal repairs and replace a few items here and there. One of the items was the accelerator cable tube. The tube I had was all bent up (Previous owner). the new tube I got from WW was straight and pretty. Once I got the cable through the tube and up to the point of connecting to the carb, I noticed it is NOT lined up. It's like a half inch off, roughly. that should be lined up with each other, shouldn't it? you'll see the cable comes out and then jogs to the left

I ended up taking off the spring sleeve that slides over the cable tube. that spring needs to be in place, right? Does this look right? And if not, how on earth do you fix it?

Here's a picture of how far the tube/cable is from the carb connecting point.

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[VW_Jimbo]

It looks off but I am left wondering what the whole engine looks like in the car. Can you take a few steps back and click another picture?
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Jimbo

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[crankbait09]

yep, I can do that. I just got done putting that back in. everything lined up. nothing certainly seemed "off". bolts to secure engine slid through like butter, so I know that's parts good. the shroud went on like normal.......again, nothing seemed off to me.

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[VW_Jimbo]

It might be an illusion but I am thinking that intake manifold is a later model, due to the alternator. And in the process the throttle cable hole was never updated to the raised location.

Thinking that you will need to pull the alternator out. Map out the oil cooler on the shroud and drill a new cable tube hole.

That is all based off of your 2 photos. It would be so cool to get my hands on that!

Maybe try a later shroud! Or drill a new hole(s)!

Here is what yours ought to look like. That’s a 6V generator.

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Jimbo

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[crankbait09]

i was hoping to not have to take that engine back out....ugh.

to back up, I never thought about that hole changing locations on shrouds.

when i tried to put the engine back into the car a few weeks ago, the old shroud i had broke. welds came apart and the pieces that held the air tubes, broke off. I bought an old shroud that matched the one I had. Didn't realize that the accelerator tube hole changed locations. everything else lined up, so i didn't give it much thought.

what if i drill a new hole to the left with the engine in the vehicle. Possible??
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[VW_Jimbo]

[EVfun]

I think what you have is a fan shroud off a 6 volt car with an intake manifold for a 12 volt car. The larger size of the 12 generator or alternator, compared to the 6 volt generator, caused VW to move the carb is little more off center to the left on the intake manifold.
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[crankbait09]

I think drilling a hole is my best bet. Already spent a bit on this shroud and sandblasting so I could paint it. Dammit. All this for one hole.

I'm thinking dropping the engine is the easiest option.
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[zerotofifty]

bend the tube where it exits the rear of the fan house, give it a bit of a curve to point the end at the carb linkage. no fan house removal, no drilling needed. easy peasy. you can even add a bent extension to the tube end.( in which case you may have to use the late model type return spring that mounts on the carb)
I would not redrill the fan house for this. get a pipe bender tool and go for it!!

let us know how it works out!
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[crankbait09]

Now I wonder....I haven't checked specifics yet, but the old tube that I mentioned in the original post was beat up and kind bent. Which is why I bought a new one. I winder if tat was bent for this exact reason. I still have it. I'll definitely look at it and swap out if possible.

I'll post a picture of them side by side
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[EVfun]

If you decide to remove the engine and re-drill I recommend plotting out the exact point you want the new hole while it’s still all together.

If you want to leave the engine in place perhaps you could just re-drill the back (carb facing side) of the shroud and put the s-bend in the throttle cable tube between the back and front sides of the fan shroud.
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[wdfifteen]

The only problem I see is the cable is dragging against the sharp(ish) end of the tube. As previously suggested, you can take the tube out and put a bend in it so the angle isn't so severe.
Or you can cut the tube off near the fan shroud, making sure to de-burr the end of the tube. You can even press a piece of nylon tubing into the tube to give the cable something soft to rub against. This would also make the angle less severe.

[Dougy Dee]

Get one of the aftermarket tubes with the roller bearing/guide on the end.
I usually use them with dual carbs and crossbar linkages.

If you start drilling things you also need to align the hole in the tin that goes over the bellhousing...

[crankbait09]

Let me ask this.....what purpose does that accelerator tube spring serve? If I curve this tube , I'm guessing the spring will not be able to be used. Is that a problem?
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[KTPhil]

That spring/tube is your throttle return spring. You need it. Bending the cable tube may bind it up.
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[crankbait09]

That's what I thought
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[Eric&Barb]

Get the metal vacuum line for between the carb and distributor vacuum advance. That line needs to go uphill after coming out of the carb to prevent raw fuel getting down into the vacuum advance and ruining the rubber diaphragm.

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[zerotofifty]

A small bend at the end of the tube should be able to accommodate the early cable based return spring, a sharp or long bend might be an issue. You will need to look at the parts and decide. at worse case, use the later style cab mounted return spring. this can be facilitated by adding a piece of drilled metal to one of the carb top cover screws that hangs over the edge of the carb with a hole to accept the spring, then get a spring to attach to the throttle lever a hole will probably be need to be drilled in the throttle lever to accept this spring.
or a later throttle arm might work, or add a piece of metal to the arm or throttle shaft to accept the spring.

What ever you do you NEED a return spring as the accelerator pedal spring is not adequate for this task. this is an important safety thing.

I for one would try to give a minimal bend of the tube so as to be able to use the stock early style return spring, that will be the cleanest and easiest install so long as you can get the right bend on that tube.

Lets see how you end up doing it, this will be a great reference for others that run into this same problem.
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