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Abscate
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 Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:57 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| Charging a single EV draws as much energy as two average households combined, according to Toronto Hydro |
Rehash
Average household 33kWhr per day
Average commute per day consumes 10kw hr
10 < 33
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oprn
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| Why do they still call them zero emissions? |
Because it makes them feel special and hoity toity, AKA smug. |
It's a misnomer. They should be more correctly labeled "shifted emissions" vehicles because the emissions are now to my backyard where the power plant is. Kind of like sending your dog to the neighbor's yard to poop and bragging about how your dog is a special "odorless" breed.
Oh ya! One day in the future the neighbors will figure out how to scoop all that poop back over the fence where it belongs... enjoy the smug while you can...
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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Ford loses $40,000+ on every EV it sold…
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/24/business/ford-earni...%20company's%20electric%20vehicle%20sales.
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Shonandb
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:49 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| oprn wrote: |
| busdaddy wrote: |
| heimlich wrote: |
| Why do they still call them zero emissions? |
Because it makes them feel special and hoity toity, AKA smug. |
It's a misnomer. They should be more correctly labeled "shifted emissions" vehicles because the emissions are now to my backyard where the power plant is. Kind of like sending your dog to the neighbor's yard to poop and bragging about how your dog is a special "odorless" breed.
Oh ya! One day in the future the neighbors will figure out how to scoop all that poop back over the fence where it belongs... enjoy the smug while you can... |
Shifted emissions sounds appropriate but maybe we can adopt the O&G Industry terminology and say Upstream (battery materials extraction phase), Downstream (battery manufacturing/assembly through to EV charging & regular use phase), and End of Use (recycling/disposal phase) Emissions?
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oprn
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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I'll buy that!
The "zero emissions" label is pure unadulterated bovine rectal excretion!
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busdaddy
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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Or sum it up with "Deferred emissions"?, as in "someone elses problem while I pretend to save the planet"? Sometimes virtue signalling requires sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "lalalalala".
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finster
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:49 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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it's all 'green' even those massive quarries... 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-68896707
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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And not even readily mentioned.....is the fact that even without the batteries....the motor magnets in EV's and wind turbine generators require a large amount of rare earths like Neodymium and Dysprosium and Lanthanum.
Until just recently, the US produced almost none of these three metals (among other rare earths).
This document was from 2020 so its out of date but is interesting.
https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mcs2020/mcs2020-rare-earths.pdf
This article says we "may" start catching up....if the current regime does not control it out of business. Keep in mind that this article was December of 2021.
https://www.mining.com/usa-rare-earth-to-produce-n...seodymium.
A later article about updates at the Round Top mountain mine in Texas
https://tmrcorp.com/news/press_releases/index.php?content_id=247
All fo that said, even though having the rare earths her insted of :there" is better....its still nasty, fossil fuel swilling work.
The EV will remain a coal and natural gas powered device for years to come. Ray |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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Losses are easy to show with voodoo financial gymnastics. Done often as April 15th nears...
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