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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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I plan to run a 123 Ignition in my 63 as I do in all my other cars. At the show, bayboy will come up and whitemansplain why I cannot do this. While he is gathering up his friends to show them what an asshole I am, I will install the stock original I have with the car. Then I will tell his buddies to get him a cognitive test. And take away the crack pipes.
See, this so- called notchboy was notchless for a long time so that he could fellate Bay Buses. Now that he is back in the Type 3 brotherhood he expects all to be forgiven. Once a Quisling, always a Quisling, I always say.
How do you like THOSE apples? _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 77012 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 4:56 am Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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notchboy wrote: |
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Shut up Glen. Go monitor the rants.... |
The Rants is dead and so is this topic.
While not preferred, if you don't have the correct vacuum canister, using one from a VJU4BR8 is close enough. _________________ Glenn
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oldslow Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2019 Posts: 109 Location: Cape Cod
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:07 am Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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The proper can is available?
(By available I mean not just robbing it from some other ZV/JCU) _________________ - better to drive a slow car fast than fast car slow - |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 77012 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:40 am Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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oldslow wrote: |
The proper can is available?
(By available I mean not just robbing it from some other ZV/JCU) |
Yes...
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2362097
Have the seller verify that it is good. NOS doesn't mean new. It's been sitting on a shelf for 60 years and can be dried out and broken inside. _________________ Glenn
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oldslow Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 7:02 am Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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Thanks Glenn
As a FYI tasb notes:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...p;start=20
“ Although the vacuum canisters have a different design their advance characteristics are identical. The mechanical weights are unique to the ZV/JCU 4 R 3 (150)”
So I’m going to go with: it’s wrong and it works _________________ - better to drive a slow car fast than fast car slow - |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6643 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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notchboy wrote: |
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Sorry heimlich but a BR8 can is a hack to me at this point in parts finding history. |
He asked if you could. Take it up with the person who asked the question. |
Just a point of view brother. Should shouldn't mean could if you know better. You can lead a horse to water..... Just my 2 cents. |
I hear you. I'm with you on this one as if you are going to go out of your way to build this distributor you should get the stock can. On the other hand, if you have the distributor and you just want to make it work putting on a different can is another story. This is what I have explained to customers. In the end it is the owner of the cars decision. They should do what they want. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22473 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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Tram wrote: |
See, this so- called notchboy was notchless for a long time so that he could fellate Bay Buses. Now that he is back in the Type 3 brotherhood he expects all to be forgiven. Once a Quisling, always a Quisling, I always say.
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Back? I never left the Type brotherhood. I've maintained ownership of a Type 3 since I was 16. The only time I never had a Type 3 in my possession was when this Mercedes Bus driving, never had a working Type 3 wanabe, kinky haired old man held my dream Type 34 Convertible project hostage for 14 years...
I like my apples in a pie, please.
And y'all need to relax. I still think even the thought of having the wrong can on that particular dizzy is heresy. You know, kinda like when someone professes Type 3 devotion then has a whole other bigger life thats all about Mercedes.
But enough of that. Yes heimlich and oldslow you guys are right. It will "work". So will crocks in the snow. Trams favorite shoo . And what's this whitemansplain? You have defiantly gone feral up there in the PNW. Bad granola me thinks.
That was some yummy bait George. Im glad I took it. 😘🤣 _________________
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Erik G Samba Member
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Ossipon Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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Now I am asking a question 60 years on (actually longer) Both of the cans could be adjusted. How and why would you adjust the cans after it was produced. And what would you use to verify vacuum and correct maximum movement.
Idle minds want to know _________________ Ossipon
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22729 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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notchboy wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
See, this so- called notchboy was notchless for a long time so that he could fellate Bay Buses. Now that he is back in the Type 3 brotherhood he expects all to be forgiven. Once a Quisling, always a Quisling, I always say.
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Back? I never left the Type brotherhood. I've maintained ownership of a Type 3 since I was 16. The only time I never had a Type 3 in my possession was when this Mercedes Bus driving, never had a working Type 3 wanabe, kinky haired old man held my dream Type 34 Convertible project hostage for 14 years...
I like my apples in a pie, please.
And y'all need to relax. I still think even the thought of having the wrong can on that particular dizzy is heresy. You know, kinda like when someone professes Type 3 devotion then has a whole other bigger life thats all about Mercedes.
But enough of that. Yes heimlich and oldslow you guys are right. It will "work". So will crocks in the snow. Trams favorite shoo . And what's this whitemansplain? You have defiantly gone feral up there in the PNW. Bad granola me thinks.
That was some yummy bait George. Im glad I took it. 😘🤣 |
Apple pie? Mmmmm.
You forgot to blame me for forcing you to buy your first Bay, boy. You DO need a cognitive test! _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6643 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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Ossipon wrote: |
Now I am asking a question 60 years on (actually longer) Both of the cans could be adjusted. How and why would you adjust the cans after it was produced. And what would you use to verify vacuum and correct maximum movement.
Idle minds want to know |
Don't adjust it unless you have to. I use a distributor machine but not everyone has those. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22729 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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notchboy wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
See, this so- called notchboy was notchless for a long time so that he could fellate Bay Buses. Now that he is back in the Type 3 brotherhood he expects all to be forgiven. Once a Quisling, always a Quisling, I always say.
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Back? I never left the Type brotherhood. I've maintained ownership of a Type 3 since I was 16. The only time I never had a Type 3 in my possession was when this Mercedes Bus driving, never had a working Type 3 wanabe, kinky haired old man held my dream Type 34 Convertible project hostage for 14 years...
I like my apples in a pie, please.
And y'all need to relax. I still think even the thought of having the wrong can on that particular dizzy is heresy. You know, kinda like when someone professes Type 3 devotion then has a whole other bigger life thats all about Mercedes.
But enough of that. Yes heimlich and oldslow you guys are right. It will "work". So will crocks in the snow. Trams favorite shoo . And what's this whitemansplain? You have defiantly gone feral up there in the PNW. Bad granola me thinks.
That was some yummy bait George. Im glad I took it. 😘🤣 |
Apple pie? Mmmmm.
You forgot to blame me for forcing you to buy your first Bay, boy. You DO need a cognitive test!
And I WASN'T drinking last night. Come to think of it... that just might be the problem here. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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heimlich VWNOS.com
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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Erik G wrote: |
what were y'all drinking last night?
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The conclusion I have drawn is that Glenn is just normally like that. I'd like to hear what his wife say's in private. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22729 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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heimlich wrote: |
Erik G wrote: |
what were y'all drinking last night?
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The conclusion I have drawn is that Glenn is just normally like that. I'd like to hear what his wife say's in private. |
Actually... I really don't think you do. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 77012 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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heimlich wrote: |
Erik G wrote: |
what were y'all drinking last night?
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The conclusion I have drawn is that Glenn is just normally like that. I'd like to hear what his wife say's in private. |
I'll put her on the bus tomorrow, you can ask her when she arrives.
BTW... no give backs _________________ Glenn
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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heimlich wrote: |
Ossipon wrote: |
Now I am asking a question 60 years on (actually longer) Both of the cans could be adjusted. How and why would you adjust the cans after it was produced. And what would you use to verify vacuum and correct maximum movement.
Idle minds want to know |
Don't adjust it unless you have to. I use a distributor machine but not everyone has those. |
I was going to suggest he contact Glenn, and maybe have Glenn set it up on his distributor machine. I know Glenn still works with the cast iron distributors. I've been thinking about contacting him about checking mine over, as it's sitting in a cabinet (doesn't make spark with new points and condenser). _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 77012 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
I was going to suggest he contact Glenn, and maybe have Glenn set it up on his distributor machine. I know Glenn still works with the cast iron distributors. I've been thinking about contacting him about checking mine over, as it's sitting in a cabinet (doesn't make spark with new points and condenser). |
Sorry Bob, but I no longer work on distributors. I stopped last year and have since sold everything I had... including my Sun Distributor Tester. _________________ Glenn
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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In all seriousness, though, I am more on notchboy's side on this. 20 plus years ago if the VW dealer couldn't get it, and your local Beck- Arnley parts dealer couldn't get it, you then looked in the trade magazines for vendors and made a bunch of long- distance calls. If they didn't have it either, you improvised. If they DID have it, you paid a lot of money snail mail and waited 6-12 weeks for delivery.
Today with the modern WWW, you can find it. If you have to buy it from overseas it's an easy transaction and you'll often have it in a week. You don't need to speak their language and go to the bank and wait in line to change $$$ into DM, and you don't need to spend half the value of the car on international calls on your land line in the middle of the night due to the time difference.
That said, there will always be parts that are outliers. Mario at T3HQ says "the time to buy parts is when they are available" and that's SO true. notchboy "gets" this. If you want the glory, do the work. With the Internet and the ease of electronic currency conversion, you can.
In this day and age, the only reasons to run a 36 hp can on your sparkler is as a temporary measure till you get the correct one, you're misinformed, you're unwilling to take the time to find one, or you're cheap.
On the flip side, I was serious about the 123 Ignition. It's a total digital replacement for all the parts in your ignition distributor that could fail, and they also have a model suitable for D-Jet. It'll eliminate the failure prone CDI boxes on your Porsches and M-Bs also. To me, it just makes sense to add this reliability. Keep your restored original with the proper vacuum can with the car, of course. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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EasternNotch Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity |
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Glenn wrote: |
Bobnotch wrote: |
I was going to suggest he contact Glenn, and maybe have Glenn set it up on his distributor machine. I know Glenn still works with the cast iron distributors. I've been thinking about contacting him about checking mine over, as it's sitting in a cabinet (doesn't make spark with new points and condenser). |
Sorry Bob, but I no longer work on distributors. I stopped last year and have since sold everything I had... including my Sun Distributor Tester. |
This is sad news Glenn, I still run my 4R3 in my Notch that you refurbished for me in like 2008ish.
-Lucas _________________ 1964 Notchback
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