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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

I plan to run a 123 Ignition in my 63 as I do in all my other cars. At the show, bayboy will come up and whitemansplain why I cannot do this. While he is gathering up his friends to show them what an asshole I am, I will install the stock original I have with the car. Then I will tell his buddies to get him a cognitive test. And take away the crack pipes.

See, this so- called notchboy was notchless for a long time so that he could fellate Bay Buses. Now that he is back in the Type 3 brotherhood he expects all to be forgiven. Once a Quisling, always a Quisling, I always say.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

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Shut up Glen. Go monitor the rants.... Laughing

The Rants is dead and so is this topic.

While not preferred, if you don't have the correct vacuum canister, using one from a VJU4BR8 is close enough.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:07 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

The proper can is available?
(By available I mean not just robbing it from some other ZV/JCU)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

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The proper can is available?
(By available I mean not just robbing it from some other ZV/JCU)

Yes...

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Have the seller verify that it is good. NOS doesn't mean new. It's been sitting on a shelf for 60 years and can be dried out and broken inside.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 7:02 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

Thanks Glenn

As a FYI tasb notes:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...p;start=20


“ Although the vacuum canisters have a different design their advance characteristics are identical. The mechanical weights are unique to the ZV/JCU 4 R 3 (150)”

So I’m going to go with: it’s wrong and it works
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

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Sorry heimlich but a BR8 can is a hack to me at this point in parts finding history.


He asked if you could. Take it up with the person who asked the question.



Just a point of view brother. Should shouldn't mean could if you know better. You can lead a horse to water..... Wink Just my 2 cents.


I hear you. I'm with you on this one as if you are going to go out of your way to build this distributor you should get the stock can. On the other hand, if you have the distributor and you just want to make it work putting on a different can is another story. This is what I have explained to customers. In the end it is the owner of the cars decision. They should do what they want.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

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See, this so- called notchboy was notchless for a long time so that he could fellate Bay Buses. Now that he is back in the Type 3 brotherhood he expects all to be forgiven. Once a Quisling, always a Quisling, I always say.



Back? I never left the Type brotherhood. I've maintained ownership of a Type 3 since I was 16. The only time I never had a Type 3 in my possession was when this Mercedes Bus driving, never had a working Type 3 wanabe, kinky haired old man held my dream Type 34 Convertible project hostage for 14 years... Think

I like my apples in a pie, please.

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Laughing Laughing Laughing

And y'all need to relax. I still think even the thought of having the wrong can on that particular dizzy is heresy. You know, kinda like when someone professes Type 3 devotion then has a whole other bigger life thats all about Mercedes. Wink Laughing

But enough of that. Yes heimlich and oldslow you guys are right. It will "work". So will crocks in the snow. Trams favorite shoo Dancing . And what's this whitemansplain? You have defiantly gone feral up there in the PNW. Bad granola me thinks.

That was some yummy bait George. Im glad I took it. 😘🤣
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

what were y'all drinking last night?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

Now I am asking a question 60 years on (actually longer) Both of the cans could be adjusted. How and why would you adjust the cans after it was produced. And what would you use to verify vacuum and correct maximum movement.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

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Tram wrote:


See, this so- called notchboy was notchless for a long time so that he could fellate Bay Buses. Now that he is back in the Type 3 brotherhood he expects all to be forgiven. Once a Quisling, always a Quisling, I always say.



Back? I never left the Type brotherhood. I've maintained ownership of a Type 3 since I was 16. The only time I never had a Type 3 in my possession was when this Mercedes Bus driving, never had a working Type 3 wanabe, kinky haired old man held my dream Type 34 Convertible project hostage for 14 years... Think

I like my apples in a pie, please.

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Laughing Laughing Laughing

And y'all need to relax. I still think even the thought of having the wrong can on that particular dizzy is heresy. You know, kinda like when someone professes Type 3 devotion then has a whole other bigger life thats all about Mercedes. Wink Laughing

But enough of that. Yes heimlich and oldslow you guys are right. It will "work". So will crocks in the snow. Trams favorite shoo Dancing . And what's this whitemansplain? You have defiantly gone feral up there in the PNW. Bad granola me thinks.

That was some yummy bait George. Im glad I took it. 😘🤣


Apple pie? Mmmmm.
You forgot to blame me for forcing you to buy your first Bay, boy. You DO need a cognitive test! Surprised
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

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Now I am asking a question 60 years on (actually longer) Both of the cans could be adjusted. How and why would you adjust the cans after it was produced. And what would you use to verify vacuum and correct maximum movement.
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Don't adjust it unless you have to. I use a distributor machine but not everyone has those.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

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See, this so- called notchboy was notchless for a long time so that he could fellate Bay Buses. Now that he is back in the Type 3 brotherhood he expects all to be forgiven. Once a Quisling, always a Quisling, I always say.



Back? I never left the Type brotherhood. I've maintained ownership of a Type 3 since I was 16. The only time I never had a Type 3 in my possession was when this Mercedes Bus driving, never had a working Type 3 wanabe, kinky haired old man held my dream Type 34 Convertible project hostage for 14 years... Think

I like my apples in a pie, please.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.



Laughing Laughing Laughing

And y'all need to relax. I still think even the thought of having the wrong can on that particular dizzy is heresy. You know, kinda like when someone professes Type 3 devotion then has a whole other bigger life thats all about Mercedes. Wink Laughing

But enough of that. Yes heimlich and oldslow you guys are right. It will "work". So will crocks in the snow. Trams favorite shoo Dancing . And what's this whitemansplain? You have defiantly gone feral up there in the PNW. Bad granola me thinks.

That was some yummy bait George. Im glad I took it. 😘🤣


Apple pie? Mmmmm.
You forgot to blame me for forcing you to buy your first Bay, boy. You DO need a cognitive test! Surprised

And I WASN'T drinking last night. Come to think of it... that just might be the problem here. Think
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

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The conclusion I have drawn is that Glenn is just normally like that. I'd like to hear what his wife say's in private.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

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The conclusion I have drawn is that Glenn is just normally like that. I'd like to hear what his wife say's in private.


Actually... I really don't think you do. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

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The conclusion I have drawn is that Glenn is just normally like that. I'd like to hear what his wife say's in private.

I'll put her on the bus tomorrow, you can ask her when she arrives.

BTW... no give backs Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

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Now I am asking a question 60 years on (actually longer) Both of the cans could be adjusted. How and why would you adjust the cans after it was produced. And what would you use to verify vacuum and correct maximum movement.
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Don't adjust it unless you have to. I use a distributor machine but not everyone has those.


I was going to suggest he contact Glenn, and maybe have Glenn set it up on his distributor machine. I know Glenn still works with the cast iron distributors. I've been thinking about contacting him about checking mine over, as it's sitting in a cabinet (doesn't make spark with new points and condenser).
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

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I was going to suggest he contact Glenn, and maybe have Glenn set it up on his distributor machine. I know Glenn still works with the cast iron distributors. I've been thinking about contacting him about checking mine over, as it's sitting in a cabinet (doesn't make spark with new points and condenser).

Sorry Bob, but I no longer work on distributors. I stopped last year and have since sold everything I had... including my Sun Distributor Tester.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 3:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

In all seriousness, though, I am more on notchboy's side on this. 20 plus years ago if the VW dealer couldn't get it, and your local Beck- Arnley parts dealer couldn't get it, you then looked in the trade magazines for vendors and made a bunch of long- distance calls. If they didn't have it either, you improvised. If they DID have it, you paid a lot of money snail mail and waited 6-12 weeks for delivery.

Today with the modern WWW, you can find it. If you have to buy it from overseas it's an easy transaction and you'll often have it in a week. You don't need to speak their language and go to the bank and wait in line to change $$$ into DM, and you don't need to spend half the value of the car on international calls on your land line in the middle of the night due to the time difference.

That said, there will always be parts that are outliers. Mario at T3HQ says "the time to buy parts is when they are available" and that's SO true. notchboy "gets" this. If you want the glory, do the work. With the Internet and the ease of electronic currency conversion, you can.

In this day and age, the only reasons to run a 36 hp can on your sparkler is as a temporary measure till you get the correct one, you're misinformed, you're unwilling to take the time to find one, or you're cheap.

On the flip side, I was serious about the 123 Ignition. It's a total digital replacement for all the parts in your ignition distributor that could fail, and they also have a model suitable for D-Jet. It'll eliminate the failure prone CDI boxes on your Porsches and M-Bs also. To me, it just makes sense to add this reliability. Keep your restored original with the proper vacuum can with the car, of course.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Bosch ZV/JCU 4R3 oddity Reply with quote

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I was going to suggest he contact Glenn, and maybe have Glenn set it up on his distributor machine. I know Glenn still works with the cast iron distributors. I've been thinking about contacting him about checking mine over, as it's sitting in a cabinet (doesn't make spark with new points and condenser).

Sorry Bob, but I no longer work on distributors. I stopped last year and have since sold everything I had... including my Sun Distributor Tester.


This is sad news Glenn, I still run my 4R3 in my Notch that you refurbished for me in like 2008ish.

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