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SteelersBus Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:34 am Post subject: Is this distributor compatible? |
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1974 Westy
2000cc engine
Solid Lifters
Single progressive Weber
Yes, I know the progressive Weber isn’t ideal. But it’s what is currently on the engine.
https://socalautoparts.com/product/pertronix-d182604-flame-thrower-electronic-distributor/
Is this distributor compatible with this setup? Tried ordering a SVDA from aircooled.net but it says they’re not currently taking orders.
Any suggestions on a good distributor for this setup is greatly appreciated. Please include link as to where they’re sold.
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dodger tom Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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beats me, but bill might know.
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SteelersBus Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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I did message. But have not heard back. Thanks _________________ Volkswagen Locksmith
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halfassleatherworks Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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unless you carburetor has a vacuum advance port on it , you are stuck with a 009 type of distributor that is mechanical only. _________________ Halfass Leatherworks*****GOT LEATHER Made to order Leather crafts, you can find us on that face book thing
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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Different progressives have different advance ports, and even then the vacuum could be affected by how you set your idle speed screw. For now, you can warm up your engine and put a vacuum gauge in it. If no vacuum, that distributor will work perfectly. If you have something like 5-8”hg, it will probably work. If you’re getting full manifold vacuum (above 12”hg) then no vacuum distributor will work with that carb.
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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I've heard different results for getting ported vacuum on the progressive carbs like I shared with Justin via email.
What I'd do is T in a vacuum gauge between the ported vacuum port on the carb if there is one and a vacuum canister on your existing distributor. Start it up and rev the engine. Once the throttle plate opens you'll get the ported vacuum. You only want ported vacuum to work the canister.
Ideally you'd want around 200 MM hg of ported vacuum for an SVDA or DVDA distributor.
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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I cannot recommend that distributor. In your case I’d recommend a classic Bosch 010 or 019 cast iron distributor available from Glenn Ring in New York. Pricey but worth it. You need a centrifugal advance distributor.
https://www.glenn-ring.com/
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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Glenn Ring retired from the distributor business as an FYI to all. I also wouldn't run an 009 or 010 and especially not a 019 mechanical advance only distributor in a heavy bay bus.
I have other bus specific distributors that have better curves for that application that work great with carbs that don't provide the necessary ported vacuum to work the vacuum canister. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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Interesting about Glenn. I’d love to know what alternative distributors you’d recommend. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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mikedjames Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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123Tune distributor.
Brand new quality SVDA style distributor that looks stockish, and you can set the vacuum advance to match your progressive, they even work with manifold vacuum at idle by allowing programming in a lower cutoff RPM for vacuum advance. Or program for 009 industrial engine style centrifugal only advance. _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:56 am Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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mikedjames wrote: |
123Tune distributor.
Brand new quality SVDA style distributor that looks stockish, and you can set the vacuum advance to match your progressive, they even work with manifold vacuum at idle by allowing programming in a lower cutoff RPM for vacuum advance. Or program for 009 industrial engine style centrifugal only advance. |
With a fully closed throttle, are these units able to cut off all advance when coupled with a throttle switch? |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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Wildthings wrote: |
mikedjames wrote: |
123Tune distributor.
Brand new quality SVDA style distributor that looks stockish, and you can set the vacuum advance to match your progressive, they even work with manifold vacuum at idle by allowing programming in a lower cutoff RPM for vacuum advance. Or program for 009 industrial engine style centrifugal only advance. |
With a fully closed throttle, are these units able to cut off all advance when coupled with a throttle switch? |
By programming the response to vaccunm, yes. But not with an electronic switch.
The 123 doesn't run best with manifold vacuum from a carb. Not all progressive provide ported throttle.
There is no app for getting into the engine bay and testing what you have.
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heimlich VWNOS.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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What cam do you have?
What distributor do you currently have on the engine? You might not need to change anything. You may just need to do some tuning.
Here's a topic about the progressive weber:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=386388
There's nothing wrong with a 010 in the right bus. VW made them for some busses.
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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heimlich wrote: |
There's nothing wrong with a 010 in the right bus. VW made them for some busses. |
The 010 originally came on the 1959-1960 Bus that has a 40hp Type 1 engine.
The OP has a Bay Window with a Type 4 engine.
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heimlich VWNOS.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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Glenn wrote: |
The OP has a Bay Window with a Type 4 engine.
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Maybe. Could have a modified engine with a modified cam.
Glenn wrote: |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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The 010 is a fine distributor for a weber progressive- better than the 019.
If you timed both at 30° max advance, the 010 will have a higher idle timing, which aftermarket carbs seem to like. Stock carbs have special circuits to use more retarded idle timing, so the 019 can work better in those applications.
If you're just trying to get the engine going, anything will work and get you to the beach so you can change into your wetsuit.
If you want the best performance, test your vacuum port at idle. If no vacuum, get the SVDA. If high vacuum at warm idle, get the 010 or German 009.
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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In my opinion, I try to run either an SVDA or DVDA when I can. Otherwise I prefer the 010 or 019 when the vacuum from the carb/carbs isn’t known or not there. I have had bad luck with Chinese distributors like pertronics. My current project is a 1972 bus with a 123 distributor provided by the bus owner. Right now it seems to work great but we had trouble providing vacuum to it since the dual Weber 40IDA’s don’t seem to have enough ported vacuum so we robbed it off the brake booster vacuum bung _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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heimlich VWNOS.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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From the Aircooled post:
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MAKING PROGRESSIVES WORK
If you have an EMPI progressive, you got hosed. Get a real Weber DFAV/DFEV.
Don't run a 009 or other centrifugal only distributor. They suck! Run our SVDA, it will make your tuning job MUCH easier. Good progressive carbs HAVE the proper port for the SVDA
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Here's an SVDA that would work. I use Genuine OEM Bosch vacuum canisters on my rebuilds not those aftermarket ones. I also use Genuine fiber Bosch washers. Not many people around that still have those.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2619759
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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I have all the SVDA and DVDA distributors in stock. I can also adjust the distributor to meet the application.
Here's one that would work nicely in that application-
https://www.sparxwerks.com/product/restored-german...amp;q=true
I also have other SVDA's as well-
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mikedjames Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Is this distributor compatible? |
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Wildthings wrote: |
mikedjames wrote: |
123Tune distributor.
Brand new quality SVDA style distributor that looks stockish, and you can set the vacuum advance to match your progressive, they even work with manifold vacuum at idle by allowing programming in a lower cutoff RPM for vacuum advance. Or program for 009 industrial engine style centrifugal only advance. |
With a fully closed throttle, are these units able to cut off all advance when coupled with a throttle switch? |
The 123Tune family do not use a throttle switch, they use a lower RPM cutoff below which the vacuum is ignored. They are sold as designed to work with either ported or manifold vacuum as a result. _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
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Engine 1: 40k miles (rocker shaft clip fell off), Engine 2: 30k miles (rebuild, dropped valve). Engine 3: a JK Preservation Parts "new" engine, aluminium case: 26k miles: new top end.
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