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pkrpkr Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:23 am Post subject: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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Anyone know for which engine this intake manifold is? I thought it was the replacement 701 manifold for 25ps until I saw the 113 number. It fits on my '59 30ps motor except for the pre-heater flanges which on my '59 are out of center and on this manifold they are in line with the central hole.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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Pretty sure it is for a fresh air 36 hp motor. That was a configuration that was available in some markets other than the US for the standard model in the early 60's.
_________________ Chris
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pkrpkr Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:51 am Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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Thanks very much Chris! Great people like you are on this forum. _________________ '59 Beetle | Where are you, Porsche 356 engine 700267? |
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janerick3 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:04 am Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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Early, stale-air 40hp engines used this same intake manifold. _________________ Thanks,
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Larmo63 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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What does a 111 129 701H manifold fit?
Anybody? _________________ Lawrence
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‘61 Mango Green Single Cab
'62 Pearl White Ragtop sedan
'66 Ruby Red Cabriolet
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RUNKLE Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:14 am Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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Larmo63 wrote: |
What does a 111 129 701H manifold fit?
Anybody? |
I believe 111 129 701H is for the European 36hp/30hp engines with fresh air heating system. Used in standard models from 1961-62 to 1965 (around about). The heat riser flanges are positioned differently, and will not work with the mufflers used on US models with 36hp stale air heating system. _________________ Type 1
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notsnarb Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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Larmo63 wrote: |
What does a 111 129 701H manifold fit?
Anybody? |
From VW parts listing 36hp USA = 30hp DIN |
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viiking Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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People should really think about downloading the parts manuals available free from OACDP before asking the question here. It saves huge amounts of time getting an answer about what part fits where and is more accurate than any "I reckon" from even the most well meaning poster on here.
http://oacdp.org/type1part.html
The 111129701 is a very early manifold for a 25 BHP/30HP SAE motor. This is for a motor prior to 349222.
111129701H is for a 30BHP/36HP SAE motor 3949223 to D0 050314.
. _________________ 1968 1500 RHD Lotus White Beetle since birth. In the hospital for major surgery
1966 Lancia Flavia Pininfarina Coupe - in the waiting room
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Larmo63 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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Okay, I won't ask anything here again. _________________ Lawrence
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scarabee Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 2:27 am Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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Awww... nooo... I don't think viiking meant it like that!
Thanks for the link, viiking. |
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viiking Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:46 am Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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I'm sorry that I spent 10 minutes of my time researching information for YOUR problem.
I never knew that there was a huge free bit of information like the OACDP until I learned from someone on here.
The answers you get from within that is better than anything else you can get from SAMBA members. _________________ 1968 1500 RHD Lotus White Beetle since birth. In the hospital for major surgery
1966 Lancia Flavia Pininfarina Coupe - in the waiting room
Discharged: 1983 Vanagon, 1974 1800 Microbus,1968 Low Light,1968 Type 3 |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:56 am Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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viiking wrote: |
I'm sorry that I spent 10 minutes of my time researching information for YOUR problem.
I never knew that there was a huge free bit of information like the OACDP until I learned from someone on here.
The answers you get from within that is better than anything else you can get from SAMBA members. |
Good God, you are full of yourself. Mate. _________________ Chris
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:56 am Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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By the way, the 111129701 is the 36hp style replacement 25hp manifold.
113129701 is a different part for a later engine. It also has the wrong heat riser flanges and inlet flanges to be for a 25hp. _________________ Chris
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viiking Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
viiking wrote: |
I'm sorry that I spent 10 minutes of my time researching information for YOUR problem.
I never knew that there was a huge free bit of information like the OACDP until I learned from someone on here.
The answers you get from within that is better than anything else you can get from SAMBA members. |
Good God, you are full of yourself. Mate. |
The SAMBA is a self-help forum which I have found full of people willing to help each other with a high level of respect and courtesy unlike many other platforms.
In fact, my answer was very specific if people read it accurately. His number is 113 129 701 but I can only find a non-suffix number of 111 129 701 for anything listed in the OACDP for Type 1, so the issue is still not correctly answered. _________________ 1968 1500 RHD Lotus White Beetle since birth. In the hospital for major surgery
1966 Lancia Flavia Pininfarina Coupe - in the waiting room
Discharged: 1983 Vanagon, 1974 1800 Microbus,1968 Low Light,1968 Type 3 |
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RUNKLE Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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In 1960 the 40hp was introduced, engine code starting with 5. The 36hp continued on, but was designated for the standard model, engine code starting with 3. The 36hp was using 111 129 701E manifold up until late 1962, that’s when the fresh air heating system was introduced. 111 129 701E had a slight design change to accommodate the fresh air heating system and became 111 129 701H, this change occurred at engine number 3949223 and ending its run mid 1965.
Knowing the details are important. As 111 129 701H looks similar to 111 129 701E, the flanges on the 111 129 701H are at different angle and will not work with a 36hp stale air muffler. Muffler 111 251 053 is needed, and that change also occurred at engine number 3949223.
Moral of the story: 111 129 701H is for a 1962 to 1965 standard model 36hp with the fresh air heating system. _________________ Type 1
1950 Standard - 1959 Ragtop - 1961 Ragtop two fold - 1964 Sunroof
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 6505 Location: Pentwater, Michigan
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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Interesting_ the VJU 4 BR 8 distributor used through model year 1960 delivered @ 12 degrees of vacuum advance from 270 mm/Hg while the ZV/JU 4 R 3 pictured above delivers @ 20 degrees of advance bur required only 50 mm/Hg to get it done. These are two very different distributors pulling vacuum from nearly the same carburetor? _________________ Roads Scholar &
1957 Kombi low mileage 36 hp governor equipped M 178 Slow Drag Winner 2014, 2015, 2018
1965 hardtop Deluxe Microbus owned since 1990 M 620 factory 12 v 1500cc
1961 (October)Single Cab- Road Trip Workhorse
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tordor Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:08 am Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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Hi there all, I have a similar question regarding the difference between
113-129-701 J and 113-129-701 K. I would be grateful with any words of wisdom you can give on this please.
I have looked at the OACDP as suggested by Viiking apart from an extra “m” i can’t see any difference, just wondering if it could also be a difference in flange angle as suggested by Runkle.
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67conv Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:32 am Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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tordor wrote: |
Hi there all, I have a similar question regarding the difference between
113-129-701 J and 113-129-701 K. I would be grateful with any words of wisdom you can give on this please.
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Welcome to the Samba!
Very simply put, it boiled down to the 113.129.701 J was for a 1966 model year 1300, and the 113.129.701 K was introduced for the 1967 model 1500. This being from the USA perspective of Deluxe models only being imported.
Differences? The "J" suffix manifold is slightly smaller in the intake pipe diameter itself, and the cast "113.129.701 J" number faces FRONT so that it is not visible from the vantage point of the casual observer peering into the engine compartment. The "K" suffix manifold is subtly larger in diameter for the 1500, and the cast "113.129.701 K" is facing the rear - easily visible to the observer. The "K" suffix s/p manifolds continued on for a number of years beyond the '67 1500's.
Hope this might help you in some way. _________________ 1967 VW Convertible, owned 35 years.
1957 DKW 3=6, owned 21 years.
PREVIOUS: 1972 "Baja Champion SE" Spec. Edition Beetle bought NEW @ Pierce VW in Denver; 1979 Super Beetle Convertible bought NEW @ Downtown LA VW; 1967 type 1 savanna beige; 1967 Porsche 2.0 911S; 1973 Porsche 2.4 911T; 1963 356 T6 B Cabriolet; 1964 356 SC sunroof coupe; 1972 Type-3 Squareback; 1968 + 1969 Type-3 Fastbacks; 1987 Vanagon GL Weekender |
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tordor Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:44 am Post subject: Re: For which motor is this 113129701 intake manifold? |
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Thankyou 67conv for the welcome and such a clear and concise answer.
My 1969 1300 bugs manifold is cracked on the cast tube casing.
Judging from your answer the “K” second hand part I’m looking at isn’t going to be suitable being for a 1500, the search goes on ha ha!
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