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Sun May 24, 2009 9:47 am

Can I safely use the cap from my 009 on my SVDA? What about the rotor?

Sun May 24, 2009 9:52 am

They are the same part... you can use them.

Sun May 24, 2009 10:08 am

Fantastic, thank you.
Another question, since my favorite local VW parts place is closed this holiday weekend, if I were to go to Pep Boys, how would I tell them what I need? They base everything on year/make/model as opposed to VW or Bosch part number.

Sun May 24, 2009 10:15 am

Give them the Bosch part numbers

04 033 rotor
03 010 cap

Sun May 24, 2009 10:25 am

Ok, after reading around a little bit at oldvolkshome, I see that the 009 uses 04 006 rotor and 03 001 cap, differing from the 034. If they're interchangable, why different numbers?

Sun May 24, 2009 10:38 am

You are looking at the wrong 009. The 0231137009/113905205K from 1966-67 is a vacuum-only-advance distributor.

The centrifugal only advance distributor is the 0231178009.

If they ask you for a year, tell them, say, 1974 Beetle. Really, any year from 1970-1979, cap and rotor are the same throughout.

Sun May 24, 2009 10:46 am

Gotcha. Thanks! I should have known there are two 009s. Why wouldn't there be? :?

Sun May 24, 2009 11:07 am

bigdaddykarl wrote: Gotcha. Thanks! I should have known there are two 009s. Why wouldn't there be? :?
That's like getting the house number but not the street name.

The distributor is 10 digits... you need all 10.

Sun May 24, 2009 3:01 pm

not to hijack or anything, but when i switched distributors from a vac one to the 009, the cap and rotor would fit, but i had to move the spark plug wires over one place. the tab on the vac distributor was different from the 009. my 009 is a german one. might check it just to make sure you don't mess up the firing order when you change them.

Sun May 24, 2009 7:12 pm

So I took the cap from my 009 and tried it on my SVDA (034) and ran it for about 3 minutes. Shut her down, went back to take a look, and there's smoke coming from my distributor. Pulled the cap off (fire extinguisher close at hand) and my rotor is fried from being too close to the center pin on my cap. Broke out the dial caliper and took a measurement, and sure enough, the 009 rotor center is +/- a millimeter closer to the base than the 034 cap. That must mean that when the 034 cap is in place, that spring is darn near all the way compressed, and there just isn't enough clearance when you take that extra mm away.

I also went to Pep Boys and asked them to look up a Bosch number for the cap and rotor (from above) and he pulled out a pressure plate. He immediately went to the "go-to" "What year/make and model?" at which point he also asked me to "hold on" while he took a phone call. 5 minutes later, I grew impatient and bailed. I should have expected no less.

I dug around in my parts bins today and pulled out two more (used) distributor caps - so I'll clean 'em up and take some more measurements, and give 'em a whirl.

It'll seem like a long wait 'til Tuesday when Four N Car opens up and has (in stock, surely) the parts I need.

Sun May 24, 2009 7:16 pm

Quote:
Beetle 1974 * 1600 Federal Manual Trans

Distributor: VW 043-905-205, Bosch 0231 170 034
Can Use: VW 113-905-205AL, Bosch 0231 146 101, VW 043 905 205 ZB (Mexico) (See Note Below)
Points: 01 011
Condensor: 02 074
Rotor: 04 033
Dust Cover: 039-905-241, Bosch 1230 500 139 > 1230 500 147
Cap: 03 010
Distributor Cap Clip: 034-905-265, Bosch 1231 251 033
Parts Kit (Shims, Washers & Hardware): 059-998-211, Bosch 1237 010 007
Coil: 00 015 (Blue Coil: 00 012)
Vacuum Can: 07 059
Ignition Wires: 09 001
Spark Plug: W8AC
Timing Set At:: 7.5deg BTDC @ 800-950rpm w/strobe and w/single vacuum hose disconnected and plugged
Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 8-12deg Adv; Centrifugal: 7-12deg @ 1600rpm, 20-25deg @ 3800rpm
NOTE: Volkswagen (with Bosch's help) now makes this distributor in Mexico and is available brand new and ready to install. Please click this link:Beetle (Puebla, Mexico) With Points Distributor to view the specs.

Quote:
VW Models Equipped With "009" Distributor

Distributor: VW 126-905-205, Bosch 0231 178 009
Chrome Version: Bosch 9230 081 094
Can Use: 0231 178 001, 0231 178 003, 0231 129 010, 0231 129 019
Note: The 001 distributor has VW# 126-905-205 stamped above the Bosch number and is primarily used on industrial engines for constant high rpm use. The 003 was the successor to the 001 and 009 succeeded the 001 or 003 as per Bosch microfiche. The 001 or 003 Looks identical to the "009". I have a 001 and 003 in my "permanent" distributor collection (somebody's gotta have a hobby!).
Points: 01 030
Condensor: 02 086
Rotor: 04 033
Dust Cover: 039-905-241, Bosch 1230 500 139 > 1230 500 147
Cap: 03 010
Distributor Cap Clip: 034-905-265, Bosch 1231 251 033
Coil: 6 Volt - 00 016, 12 Volt - 00 012
Timing Set At:: Most applications - 5 to 7.5deg BTDC Static. Full advance should not exceed 32 degrees at 3000rpm with stroboscopic timing light. Here's a couple of links dealing with this subject:

Sun May 24, 2009 7:21 pm

Is it a "mexican" vs "brazilian" vs "german" thing? Why would I have different measurements?
I've noticed that my black caps seem to have a washer (for lack of a better term) holding the center post and spring in place, where my red-orange ones don't. They also have the different measurement from base to pin.

Mon May 25, 2009 6:53 am

bigdaddykarl wrote: So I took the cap from my 009 and tried it on my SVDA (034) and ran it for about 3 minutes. Shut her down, went back to take a look, and there's smoke coming from my distributor. Pulled the cap off (fire extinguisher close at hand) and my rotor is fried from being too close to the center pin on my cap. Broke out the dial caliper and took a measurement, and sure enough, the 009 rotor center is +/- a millimeter closer to the base than the 034 cap. That must mean that when the 034 cap is in place, that spring is darn near all the way compressed, and there just isn't enough clearance when you take that extra mm away.

I also went to Pep Boys and asked them to look up a Bosch number for the cap and rotor (from above) and he pulled out a pressure plate. He immediately went to the "go-to" "What year/make and model?" at which point he also asked me to "hold on" while he took a phone call. 5 minutes later, I grew impatient and bailed. I should have expected no less.

I dug around in my parts bins today and pulled out two more (used) distributor caps - so I'll clean 'em up and take some more measurements, and give 'em a whirl.

It'll seem like a long wait 'til Tuesday when Four N Car opens up and has (in stock, surely) the parts I need.
I had the exact same issue whn going from a 009 to the 034 svda setup...only I had two caps laying around and one rubbed on the rotor (brown/orange) one and the oem black style one I had works fine....must just be tolerance differences between manufacturers....funny thing is the brown rotor seemed to fit better than the one with the black cap.

Mon May 25, 2009 7:04 am

I've never known an orange 03010 cap not to work on an 009. Haven't dealt with any of those new Chinese 009 clones though.

Now, I do know there's a separate 10-digit Bosch part number for the black caps. I have one but not handy. In a day or two when I get home I'll try to remember to dig it out and compare it with a orange cap.

Mon May 25, 2009 7:11 am

glutamodo wrote: I've never known an orange 03010 cap not to work on an 009. Haven't dealt with any of those new Chinese 009 clones though.

Now, I do know there's a separate 10-digit Bosch part number for the black caps. I have one but not handy. In a day or two when I get home I'll try to remember to dig it out and compare it with a orange cap. I believe that the OP and i both had issues with using the orange cap on the 034 svda dist.....it worked fine on my 009 (has the bosch logo but doesnt say where it was made?)

Tue May 26, 2009 12:00 pm

Okay, I went and compared my distributor caps today.

I found I had both a German and Brazillian 1235522056 (03 010) cap. I also have a dark brown 1235522183 cap. As well as a new black Brazillian 9321081711 cap, the one that came on the Brazillian 009s I do believe. All four caps gave me the same 37.5mm from the center brush (pushed all the way in) to a straight edge held across the top. They all had about a 3.5mm step on the top. Externally, I found the 056 caps to be about 2mm taller at the top of the center plug wire, but the 4 other plug wire holes were of similar height.
-Andy

Tue May 26, 2009 2:00 pm

Thank you, Andy. I'll take your measurements and compare them with mine (after I get some work done...work, always getting in the way) and let you know what's on my end.

Tue May 26, 2009 2:25 pm

I tried to take a photo, but it's hard to hold the camera, a distirbutor cap, and two rulers at the same time. So I set my camera up and aimed it at the edge of a cap, then used the camera self-timer so I could hold one ruler and the cap and keep them aimed. Just a hair over 37mm on both Brazillian caps:

Tue May 26, 2009 7:30 pm

after taking another look at my damaged cap I now believe my particular issue with the rotor grinding against the cap was due to the rotor that came with my orange cap....I just tried the orange cap with the black rotor and its not grinding...I retried the other rotor and it doesnt seem to want to go on the shaft very well...I bought a different brand rotor today and new orange cap...will try them tomorrow...wish I remembered what brand the crappy rotor was.

Tue May 26, 2009 7:33 pm

Here's a tip... use BOSCH or BREMI tuneup parts.