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Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:30 pm

Pics or it didn't happen :wink:

Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:37 pm

I hammered some in back in the early 1980s when they were selling them like hotcakes in HotVWs

They kinda fit using the hammer and safety wire, looks like shit and possibly creates hot spots where the two overlap. Use the so called cool tins on type 3 that cools with a crank mounted fan instead of top down type 1.

If you do a search you’ll find a 10 page beat down on this done years ago. VW engine is forgiving and you can ghetto engineer many things if thats your bag. For some here they take great pride in being different. It’s cool to be different 😀

Never underestimate the power of advertising even at this late date people are confused.

Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:44 pm

Zundfolge1432 wrote: Never underestimate the power of advertising even at this late date people are confused.
cough.... GEX.... cough

Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:45 pm

You can wear swimsuit under pants,
but may need bigger pants.

Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:25 pm

modok wrote: Do they fit under type-1 sled tins? :-k

Seems like they would not, but I've never actually tried it.

Supposedly they can be used with a thermostat. wouldn't work out in open air.

Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:14 pm

PIMPPRIDE wrote: those are nice bulletins and all

it does not change the fact the tins have a type 1 part # and that shows they were originally designed for the type 1 engine without a doubt

Anthony / ISP WEST

Aaah, it’s the VW workshop bulletin hoax!

Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:06 am

My NOS VW Brazil long block has them. Later part number 0401194511 on the "cool tins". It's has a UF engine number (type 1) and is factory (vw) built.

So it looks like they used them in Brazil on type 1. But it also has the late brazil 6-fin cylinder heads with deap dished pistons (gasoline).

Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:50 am

I don't think I've ever seen the complete shrouding from a late brazil engine.
Had a early Brasilia engine and all the tin was a bit different but had regular type-1 thingies under the cylinders.

Most people use the type-3 tins as "shorts" but it probably goes with a full outfit also :P lets see it

Interesting just for the sake of history, it is unlikely the late brazil shrouding performs better in our sense of performance.

Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:21 am

Bug53 wrote: Supposedly they can be used with a thermostat. wouldn't work out in open air.
Most certainly! All type 3 engines had thermostats. But - that doesn't make them the correct part to use with the type 1 cooling system.

And Bug53 is correct, the thermostat would still not work without the sled tins. The type 3 had those too.

Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:31 am

Dang it. I picked up some of these from Moore Parts because I read on "Rob and Dave's" these were the way to go. That was a waste of $27.

Now are you all saying this is a bad idea in any configuration. I have to assume you're referring to a street engine, but what about a baja engine that has most of the tin missing. It made sense to me that an engine with just the doghouse, and upper cylinder tins may benefit from a design that held more of the cooling air around the cylinders. I've had the "g-string plates" under mine in the past but figured I'd give the "tighty-whities" a try this time.

Sorry if I derailed the direction of the convo with this question. lol

Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:53 am

The engine/short block I have is bare, it sure would be interesting to know if the shrouding was different on them. It still have the factory note on the dip stick to not forget to fill it with oil before use ("No oil in assembly"). The information I've got is that it is a beetle engine (gasoline with one carb). It also don't have the outlet for the typ3 dip stick and it has (if I don't remember it wrong) a "sedan" ink-print on it.

Fure sure someone from Brazil is on this forum?

Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:12 am

Frederik wrote:

My NOS VW Brazil long block has them. Later part number 0401194511 on the "cool tins". It's has a UF engine number (type 1) and is factory (vw) built.

So it looks like they used them in Brazil on type 1. But it also has the late brazil 6-fin cylinder heads with deap dished pistons (gasoline).

The early Brazilian VW GOL had a front mounted, aircooled, engine. The traditional 'sled' tins would be facing the wrong way. Could be why you have 'SuperCool' tins.

Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:19 am

I can almost guarantee the shape of those Brazilian Type 3 tins is different then the aftermarket Chinese versions.

There is another thread in this section that describes how to modify the aftermarket versions to match the originals...you'll have to search for it.

The main difference is the size and shape of the openings beneath each cylinder.

Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:33 am

I have thought about GOL, but the engine number is linked to type1/beetle fusca.

If you search the (Brazil/late) part number for the tin I posted you can find originals. Example https://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-1071530018...194511-_JM

Same page refer to it as for fusca (beetle) after 1985, kombi (bus) 1985 to 1994. This was the same period (I think) they used the 6-fined heads/ dished piston for gas and high compression for alcohol.

They do look a bit different from the type 3 tins and aftermarket "cool tins"

Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:39 am

Frederik wrote: I have thought about GOL,
The GOL was a front engine.

Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:06 am

modok wrote: You can wear swimsuit under pants

And you can swim without a swimsuit....

Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:27 am

I do not want to derail the thread more than I have. But it was used on Brazil type 1 and 2 (with type 1 engine configuration). Perhaps due to the odd brasil late 6-fined heads/more fins on the cylinders? Other tin/cooling changes?

More on Brazil heads and engine

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6863065#6863065

Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:30 am

ORANGECRUSHer wrote: Now are you all saying this is a bad idea in any configuration. I have to assume you're referring to a street engine, but what about a baja engine that has most of the tin missing. It made sense to me that an engine with just the doghouse, and upper cylinder tins may benefit from a design that held more of the cooling air around the cylinders. I've had the "g-string plates" under mine in the past but figured I'd give the "tighty-whities" a try this time.
Maybe there is some merit to that thinking by why not put all the proper tins back on? That is a much better fix because for one thing, the type 3 pieces do not protect the pushrod tubes. With a Baja you absolutely NEED that! The second is that you still need the sled tins to get the thermostat to work properly.

I cannot believe the number of people that still in this day and age put a fan shroud and top cylinder tins on and call it a cooling system!

Uh - nope!

Half a job don't cut it just like pulling on a tee shirt after a shower is NOT the same as getting dressed! There is something hanging out the bottom that needs to be taken care of too...

And not only is it unsightly, it's going to get damaged... and cold...

:D

Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:10 am

oprn wrote:
Maybe there is some merit to that thinking by why not put all the proper tins back on? That is a much better fix because for one thing, the type 3 pieces do not protect the pushrod tubes. With a Baja you absolutely NEED that! The second is that you still need the sled tins to get the thermostat to work properly.

I cannot believe the number of people that still in this day and age put a fan shroud and top cylinder tins on and call it a cooling system!

Uh - nope!

Half a job don't cut it just like pulling on a tee shirt after a shower is NOT the same as getting dressed! There is something hanging out the bottom that needs to be taken care of too...

And not only is it unsightly, it's going to get damaged... and cold...

:D

In the past I've had the doghouse, the cylinder tins, and then the little splitter that goes underside in between the cylinders on my baja. I've also had the sleds. No thermostat because no heaters. Yes there's oil running through those pushrod tubes also that could be getting cooled too. A baja running down a boulevard compared to a baja laboring through the woods may have very different cooling needs in those two situations.

Thanks for indulging my query

Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:11 am

Frederick, thanks for the valuable info. Its nice to see something of substance and real evidence rather then just talk.

Pictures of a factory type 1 with the cool tins and a vw part number is pretty hard to argue with. This backs up what Anthony at ISP west was saying. Ironically I have been running 2 sets (both my drivers) for years that I purchased from ISPWEST :lol: