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Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:10 pm

DerrickfromNC1 wrote: viiking wrote: You didn't specify the exact name but from the Rustoleum.

AUTORF QT MISC WAX & TAR REMOVER is water based, contains diethanolamine and has no flammability, so no solvents.

But there are other brands. What's the exact name?

This is it
https://www.autozone.com/sandpaper-and-body-repair...lsrc=aw.ds

Hmmm. This does not compute. The picture that you show on the link says it is flammable.

The code 251475 which is what Amazon AND Rustoleum shows in NON-FLAMMABLE.

So I don't know who has made the error in the advertisement? Or is it that your product is really old?

You'll have to check the label on the one you have. My suggestion is that if it says flammable don't use it. But if it is not flammable then it will be the water based one with diethanolamine so should be OK.

Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:25 am

viiking wrote: kman wrote: viiking wrote: Wax and grease remover is based (usually) on acetone or other strong solvents. Read nail polish remover.

Alcohol (methylated spirits/ethanol)is a much safer solvent to remove greasy fingerprints. You can dilute it with water if you like.

Just do a test on an unexposed surface using both solvents. Acetone COULD remove some of the paint, but it is unlikely alcohol would.

I use this. Acetone would be a disaster.

Rubbing alcohol does work well and I use that when I run out of the below.

http://kleanstripauto.com/resources/product-resources/1700.5_Klean_Strip_Prep_All_5-23-18_.pdf

The Kleanstrip is basically mineral spirits and probably a white spirit base. Slow evaporation rate compared to alcohol and acetone.

The mineral sprits available around me is way more volatile and I wouldn't use it anywhere near a paint job let alone on it. I find the kleanstrip similar to PPG DX330

Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:33 am

DerrickfromNC1 wrote: viiking wrote: You didn't specify the exact name but from the Rustoleum.

AUTORF QT MISC WAX & TAR REMOVER is water based, contains diethanolamine and has no flammability, so no solvents.

But there are other brands. What's the exact name?

This is it
https://www.autozone.com/sandpaper-and-body-repair...lsrc=aw.ds

Have some of this. Didn't like it. Water is a solvent BTW. This took too long to evaporate and wasn't great at removing oils. Probably just fine in general though.

Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:33 pm

kman wrote: DerrickfromNC1 wrote: viiking wrote: You didn't specify the exact name but from the Rustoleum.

AUTORF QT MISC WAX & TAR REMOVER is water based, contains diethanolamine and has no flammability, so no solvents.

But there are other brands. What's the exact name?

This is it
https://www.autozone.com/sandpaper-and-body-repair...lsrc=aw.ds

Have some of this. Didn't like it. Water is a solvent BTW. This took too long to evaporate and wasn't great at removing oils. Probably just fine in general though.

I was using solvent in the context in which the vast population does to indicate an organic alkyl or aryl based hydrocarbon, not as in solvent/solute as us chemists understand!

Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:40 pm

kman wrote: viiking wrote: kman wrote: viiking wrote: Wax and grease remover is based (usually) on acetone or other strong solvents. Read nail polish remover.

Alcohol (methylated spirits/ethanol)is a much safer solvent to remove greasy fingerprints. You can dilute it with water if you like.

Just do a test on an unexposed surface using both solvents. Acetone COULD remove some of the paint, but it is unlikely alcohol would.

I use this. Acetone would be a disaster.

Rubbing alcohol does work well and I use that when I run out of the below.

http://kleanstripauto.com/resources/product-resources/1700.5_Klean_Strip_Prep_All_5-23-18_.pdf

The Kleanstrip is basically mineral spirits and probably a white spirit base. Slow evaporation rate compared to alcohol and acetone.

The mineral sprits available around me is way more volatile and I wouldn't use it anywhere near a paint job let alone on it. I find the kleanstrip similar to PPG DX330

PPG DX330 is 70% naphtha and would be just as bad as mineral spirits.Again it is a strong solvent. Naphtha is used to dilute crude oil so it is a good solvent. Try it in on an unexposed surface. Probably affects 1 part paints more than 2 part catalysed paints.

Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:19 am

viiking wrote: kman wrote: viiking wrote: kman wrote: viiking wrote: Wax and grease remover is based (usually) on acetone or other strong solvents. Read nail polish remover.

Alcohol (methylated spirits/ethanol)is a much safer solvent to remove greasy fingerprints. You can dilute it with water if you like.

Just do a test on an unexposed surface using both solvents. Acetone COULD remove some of the paint, but it is unlikely alcohol would.

I use this. Acetone would be a disaster.

Rubbing alcohol does work well and I use that when I run out of the below.

http://kleanstripauto.com/resources/product-resources/1700.5_Klean_Strip_Prep_All_5-23-18_.pdf

The Kleanstrip is basically mineral spirits and probably a white spirit base. Slow evaporation rate compared to alcohol and acetone.

The mineral sprits available around me is way more volatile and I wouldn't use it anywhere near a paint job let alone on it. I find the kleanstrip similar to PPG DX330

PPG DX330 is 70% naphtha and would be just as bad as mineral spirits.Again it is a strong solvent. Naphtha is used to dilute crude oil so it is a good solvent. Try it in on an unexposed surface. Probably affects 1 part paints more than 2 part catalysed paints.

Worked in a body shop for 5 years. No problems except on single stage and Saturns.

Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:08 pm

Did a final sanding. 400 dry. Followed with wax/grease remover. Wipe with clean rag and Waited at least an hour l. High 70s today. Applied paint and it was a horror show , paint didn’t lay out-kinda like a million fish eyes. guessing the WG remover wasn’t really dry. So now more sanding to remove the paint but reluctant to follow with W/G remover. Thinking maybe final clean with a damp cloth , tack it and paint.Good idea or not?

Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:15 pm

far rider wrote: Followed with wax/grease remover.

Which product exactly. There are lots of wax/grease removers.

far rider wrote: Applied paint and it was a horror show , paint didn’t lay out-kinda like a million fish eyes. guessing the WG remover wasn’t really dry.

Have you used ANY silicone based products in your garage recently? Silicone has a habit of going everywhere and leads to many many fish-eyes in paint.

Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:37 pm

Acme finish FT200. Bought at NAPA. Probably 8 years old but it’s still is clear and paint guy at Napa ssid should still be good.
No haven’t used any silicone

Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:59 pm

FT 200 is 100% Naphtha.
Product spec sheets says it is a a fast evaporating, mild solvent wash used to remove wax, oil, grease and silicone contaminants from all O.E. Finishes, Acrylic Lacquer, fresh or uncured enamels and all sanded surfaces.

Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:18 pm

viiking , thanks for that info. It does seem to dry fast so not sure if that’s the culprit. Spraying with an older Graco hvlp system which has worked well. Will try again tomorrow and hopefully have better luck

Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:31 am

What type of rag did you wipe it with? You may have been applying some type of contaminate instead of removing it. Every company making refinishing products should have a fish-eye eliminator additive in their lineup. :idea:

Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:57 am

As the outside temps drop you will get more condensation in your compressor and air lines. Hot air from compressing air cooling down in the air lines. This will also have some oil in it. I run a air chiller to cool the compressed air. Put a disposable moisture trap right before paint gun as a last resort. I would mock up a paint test area and figure it out before shooting your car again.

Sat Sep 14, 2024 10:40 am

So did wax and grease remover last night. Did small section at a time and followed immediately with clean cloth and dried the area . Moved along that way drying as I went. This morning went over everything with a tack tag and applied the paint. No issues . I’m glad that’s over.

Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:55 pm

So you never used the alcohol like many people suggested

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:21 pm

jspbtown wrote: So you never used the alcohol like many people suggested

No, no alcohol. I just read the posts that were in response to my question.