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Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:35 pm

I'm considering the VR6 engine swap. Anyone know how long the engine is & the approximate weight? Is there a better year engine?

Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:55 pm

The 3.2 is a good choice. I had an R32 and it is rock solid. Lots of aftermarket parts for them too including turbo kits. The 3.6 is pretty good, but not much aftermarket like for the 3.2. A wrecked R32 or Audi with the 3.2 will get you in business.

Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:52 pm

In this link you can find some dimensions:

https://www.vwvortex.com/threads/vr6-engine-dimensions-can-anyone-take-some-measurements.7227476/

Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:15 pm

Isn't the VR engine longer than a regular V6?

Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:34 am

Yes it is, but nearly not as wide.

VR actually stands for V "Verkürzter Reihenmotor" or in English.. Shortened Line Engine. The cylinder configuration almost looks more like an offset line engine than a V engine. This way it also fitted in the Golf engine bay as the engine is not installed lengthwise.

Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:34 am

rens040 wrote: Yes it is, but nearly not as wide.

VR actually stands for V "Verkürzter Reihenmotor" or in English.. Shortened Line Engine. The cylinder configuration almost looks more like an offset line engine than a V engine. This way it also fitted in the Golf engine bay as the engine is not installed lengthwise.

I belive in English you would say straight or inline engine. Not line engine.

I always understood a VR6 is just a hybrid between a V6 and an inline (Reihen) 6. Hence VR 6.

Never heard the "verkürzter Reihenmotor" term. Do you have a reference for that?

Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:16 pm

Kennedy Engineering sells the adapter for a 2.8 engine. Any idea if the 3.2 would directly interchange with that setup?

Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:27 pm

[quote="StefansBus"] rens040 wrote: I belive in English you would say straight or inline engine. Not line engine.

I always understood a VR6 is just a hybrid between a V6 and an inline (Reihen) 6. Hence VR 6.

Never heard the "verkürzter Reihenmotor" term. Do you have a reference for that?

You are correct, i meant inline.. english isn’t my first language.
I know i read it somewhere.. but now i search on the web i find multiple different translations of “VR”

Here is the explaination i read earlier:
https://www.365autohistorie.nl/2018/03/20/vr-motor/

Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:52 am

But may i ask why a VR6?

The 1.8 20v T or later 2.0TSI can easily exceed the power that a VR6 makes.. depending on which engine you choose software changes alone will do it.

On the other hand.. those VR6’s does sound lovely.
I used to own an MK5 R32 and the sound it makes is already worth it i guess...

Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:23 am

rens040 wrote: But may i ask why a VR6?

The 1.8 20v T or later 2.0TSI can easily exceed the power that a VR6 makes.. depending on which engine you choose software changes alone will do it.

On the other hand.. those VR6’s does sound lovely.
I used to own an MK5 R32 and the sound it makes is already worth it i guess...

I'm building a Fiat 850 Coupe. I'm considering all kinds of engines. I think the Vr6 is somewhat unique & I like the sound. I saw one in a Porsche 911 and thought it was cool. I'm somewhat concerned about the wiring & found a stand alone by eurowise, and the length of the engine & if the Kennedy engineering adapter will work on a 3.2.

Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:43 am

JoeDucati wrote:

I'm building a Fiat 850 Coupe. I'm considering all kinds of engines. I think the Vr6 is somewhat unique & I like the sound. I saw one in a Porsche 911 and thought it was cool. I'm somewhat concerned about the wiring & found a stand alone by eurowise, and the length of the engine & if the Kennedy engineering adapter will work on a 3.2.

I would not put a heavy engine in the back of an 850. I had a coupe and a spyder with the 124 pushrod motor conversion and the chassis handled this extra weight with no problems. If I was going after a lot more power I would go with the acvw or an all aluminum water cooled motor like a Honda or Suzuki.

Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:35 pm

[quote="rens040"] StefansBus wrote: rens040 wrote: I belive in English you would say straight or inline engine. Not line engine.

I always understood a VR6 is just a hybrid between a V6 and an inline (Reihen) 6. Hence VR 6.

Never heard the "verkürzter Reihenmotor" term. Do you have a reference for that?

You are correct, i meant inline.. english isn’t my first language.
I know i read it somewhere.. but now i search on the web i find multiple different translations of “VR”

Here is the explaination i read earlier:
https://www.365autohistorie.nl/2018/03/20/vr-motor/ That linked source is WRONG. The "V" stands for the letter V, in German "Vau". Represents the shape of the engine block and the 2 splayed heads. Reihenmotor is indeed inline (I). "verkuerzter" means "shortened", so that a "verkuerzter Reihenmotor" would be a shortened inline engine. Such as an I4 made of an I5 or I6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VR6_engine

I was working in the R&D department at VW in Wolfsburg, Germany thru Spring 1983 and saw one of the very first VR6 test engines installed in a Golf. A friend was within the engine development group and explained the VR designation.

Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:45 am

I thought about one of the vr6's in my gm roadster turd.....but thats just toomuch like work.

Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:27 pm

rayjay wrote: JoeDucati wrote:

I'm building a Fiat 850 Coupe. I'm considering all kinds of engines. I think the Vr6 is somewhat unique & I like the sound. I saw one in a Porsche 911 and thought it was cool. I'm somewhat concerned about the wiring & found a stand alone by eurowise, and the length of the engine & if the Kennedy engineering adapter will work on a 3.2.

I would not put a heavy engine in the back of an 850. I had a coupe and a spyder with the 124 pushrod motor conversion and the chassis handled this extra weight with no problems. If I was going after a lot more power I would go with the acvw or an all aluminum water cooled motor like a Honda or Suzuki.

The VR6 does not appear to weigh anymore than a type 4 engine @ about 311 pounds. It is tall though, I think it will fit. I saw a 911 with one & it was pretty cool.

Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:37 pm

[quote="Rome"][quote="rens040"] StefansBus wrote: rens040 wrote:

Here is the explaination i read earlier:
https://www.365autohistorie.nl/2018/03/20/vr-motor/ That linked source is WRONG. The "V" stands for the letter V, in German "Vau". Represents the shape of the engine block and the 2 splayed heads. Reihenmotor is indeed inline (I). "verkuerzter" means "shortened", so that a "verkuerzter Reihenmotor" would be a shortened inline engine. Such as an I4 made of an I5 or I6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VR6_engine

I was working in the R&D department at VW in Wolfsburg, Germany thru Spring 1983 and saw one of the very first VR6 test engines installed in a Golf. A friend was within the engine development group and explained the VR designation.

Thnx for clearing that up!