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Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:22 am

If you have experience with both which do you prefer?

Seems Chassis Saver is easier to use... but is it better than POR15?

Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:24 am

bhartwell59 wrote: If you have experience with both which do you prefer?

Seems Chassis Saver is easier to use... but is it better than POR15?

POR15 works best on rusted surfaces. If the surface is rusted then use it.

Is Chassis Saver similar to Chassis Paint? If so its best used on rust free surfaces.

Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:43 am

With Chassis Saver you can paint directly over rust and claims to stop rust permanently.

It seems to have the same qualities as POR15 but doesn't require 3 steps.

http://www.magnetpaints.com/underbody.asp

Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:48 am

Quote: you can paint directly over rust and claims to stop rust permanently.

I find these claims hard to believe. :cry: Really, If you could just paint over rust...
I always try to remove as much rust as I possibly can first. Sandblasting, sandpaper, phosphoric acid...
I have not used either of those...(im a lotta help, right. :D )
There are probably a dozen or so of those types of products on the market and I think they would be better on problem areas than say just an epoxy prime. Benefits are they can be applied at home in your garage by brush or spraying, are self leveling and help fill heavy pitting. I use them mostly for insurance for rust not coming back and not primarily to cover rust. I used Masterseries and it was easy to use, reasonably priced, good stuff.

Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:23 am

bhartwell59 wrote: With Chassis Saver you can paint directly over rust and claims to stop rust permanently.

It seems to have the same qualities as POR15 but doesn't require 3 steps.

http://www.magnetpaints.com/underbody.asp

I have used Eastwood's products that stop rust. It works well but you do need to remove as much loose material as possible. As Chassis Saver says - it needs to be applied over tightly adhered rust.

Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:26 pm

I would def remove as much rust as I can before I apply anything.

I'm going check out the MasterSeries stuff before I pull the trigger on any of these "rust preventive" products.

Thanks!

Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:21 pm

http://masterseriesct.com/home.php

Chuck, is a big VW guy...He has the same samba name...vwsplitman...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=273166

Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:15 am

I can help on this one! My ghia is 2 years after it's restoration.

I used Eastwood products instead of the POR15 on my pan and their black & clear "rust encapsulaters". In the spray can, and brush.

Chose not to use POR15 due to the iscovynates. I had isocynate poisoning from painting Imron years ago, and it ended with me in the hospital. So - no isocynates, right?

But, the Eastwood stuff was all a bit gooey and rubbery, and the stuff tracks and dents, and it's a WAY different product than the POR15. The POR15 is like a glass coating, it's so hard!

I use acids to convert the rust before using these paints, and have excellent luck with "The Must for Rust".

Next project, I will use an air to air respirator, and use the POR I think - and powder coat anything I can!

Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:42 am

At this point, I'm not doing a massive/extensive resto. Have some rust on the inside driver's side door panel and want to grind it down and freeze it in place. It may not be that bad, but I'm not taking any chances.

bluedot thanks for the heads-up re: carcinogenic crap!

Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:26 am

All 2 part products. Clear, epoxy, primer, etc contain isocyanates. Do not spray without a charcoal respirator at a bare minimum. Por-15 is also effectively a 2 part paint as it uses the moisture in air to cure, kind of like superglue. That's why is goes bad so quick after opening. Por-15 is much safer to brush on. But still a respirator is necessary. i don't know about masterseries but is is bound to be similar. If you can borrow or by a fresh air system that's great. It's best and far preferable. But for one car, charcoal respirators will get you by. I worked for 4 years in paint and got enough low level exposure from that every day that I'm glad I'm out.

Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:09 pm

I was/am going to use POR 15 in my engine compartment.

Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:30 pm

Buy MasterSeries and don't waste your coin on ANYTHING else. This stuff is the SHITS ! ! ! ! !

Honestly, I pretty much built my Karmann Ghia out of the stuff. The driver's floor was gone ! I covered a cookie sheet with waxed paper and placed it on a hydraulic jack, pumped the jack until the covered cooky sheet was up against the non-existant rust holed floor and began brushing and pouring MasterSeries all over the place. Covered the wet masterseries with toilet paper, and when it dried, did it all again. Covered the still wet MasterSeries with the dirt and pine needles that were collected in the corners of the "floor" and under the seat for additional strength, and put down another layer of toilet paper. When it was dry and hard, I painted on one more coat of MasterSeries, cover THAt with toilet paper and done ! ! Solid as cement, good as gold. One last coat of flat black and I was set for the next five years.

Not lying or exaggerating here, ask anyone in New England /North East about TeamEvil's Rusted Ghia and you'll here the truth.

I also "rebuilt" the lower rotted out forward hinge post in the same way . . .

Go MasterSeries or Go Home ! ! ! !

Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:47 am

I haven't used POR15, but I just got a pint of Chassis Saver for my heater boxes. I can't say enough good about it. It's a one part, goes on easy, and it goes a long way. Takes about 10 hours to dry but I'm ok with that. I'm definately going to use this stuff on my entire chassis.

Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:02 pm

Has anyone had any experience, pro or con, with Tractor/implement paint for the chassis and high wear areas?
I have found talk of it on several restoration forums with many giving it favorable ratings. The one clear benefit it has is color availability.

Mon Apr 11, 2016 5:06 am

I have used tractor paint. (from Tractor Supply). Didnt seem to be anything really special. Its holding up fine on a pan I did quite a few years ago, but is nothing like POR-15.