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Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:54 pm

What is the classification Type 25, T2, T3
Are the T2 and Type 25the same?

Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:03 pm

I found this, but what is a type 25

T1 Volkswagen type code for the first generation of VW Buses - 1949-1967 - the Split-Window.

T2 Volkswagen type code for the second generation of VW Buses - 1968 through 1979 - the Bay Window or Bread Loaf.

T3 Volkswagen type code for the third generation of VW Buses - 1980 through 1992 - the Vanagon.

T4 Volkswagen type code for the fourth generation of VW Buses - the Eurovan.

Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:44 pm

The VW Beetle is a Type I
The Karmann Ghia is also a Type I

The beloved Split bus began the VW Type 2
The Type 2 in the USA has continued through the Vanagon.

The Squareback, Notchback, Fastback and Type 3 Ghias are VW Type 3

The 411 and 412 are VW Type 4

Now......

Within the Type 2 designation have been generations.

The Split Window Type 2 .... T1
The Bay Window Type 2 ..... T2
The Vanagon Type 2 .......... T3

In the UK the Type 2 T3 is known as the T25, it is The same unit.
Why? I Don't know....... They drive on the wrong side, they talk funny and they make up their own names for things.... Bonnets, boots, drop tops, wings, spanners ......... :wink:

Different names for European and US issues of the same car are not rare.

Dave

Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:55 pm

djkeev wrote:
Within the Type 2 designation have been generations.

The Split Window Type 2 .... T1
The Bay Window Type 2 ..... T2
The Vanagon Type 2 .......... T3

The T4 is not a Type 2, in Volkswagen's eyes; it is a "T platform" Transporter. When the T4 came along, the previous Type 2 generations were retroactively labelled T1, T2, and T3. :wink:

T25 = Brits' way of saying "Type 25" for the T3... or, so I've read.

Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:13 pm

And what type is this I saw in England?

Aloha
tp

Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:29 pm

kamzcab86 wrote: djkeev wrote:
Within the Type 2 designation have been generations.

The Split Window Type 2 .... T1
The Bay Window Type 2 ..... T2
The Vanagon Type 2 .......... T3

The T4 is not a Type 2, in Volkswagen's eyes; it is a "T platform" Transporter. When the T4 came along, the previous Type 2 generations were retroactively labelled T1, T2, and T3. :wink:

T25 = Brits' way of saying "Type 25" for the T3... or, so I've read.

Well, you can give the Brits shit for having bad food and driving on the wrong side of the road, but T25 stands for Typ25 makes sense, which is the official Typ2 name for the 3rd generation.
T21 for Bay Window Typ2 :idea:

Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:37 pm

Tom Powell wrote: And what type is this I saw in England?

Aloha
tp

good question

Is the LT 35 / 45 a transporter?

Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:25 pm

The brits call it a T25 because the prefix for the part numbers for these vans are 251.

The germans call them T3 because they are the 3rd generation of the platform.

The 'mericans will cut you off no matter how fast you are going.

Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:01 am

These vans, and many other VW cars have three digit model numbers. They were 251 (Panel vans) 253 (Transporters With Windows) and 255 (Caravelle) and there are even more numbers all starting With 25x for the right hand drive vans, so the brits just used the two first digits of this type number to designate them, therefor T25. However, there is a flaw in this system, and that is the pickup (single and double cab models). They are type 245 and 247 respectively, but are they then called T24's... Nope, still T25 :?

Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:13 am

Truck use a majority of 251 parts from the standard van platform. Truck only parts use the 245-248 body prefix.

Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:34 am

syncrodoka wrote: Truck use a majority of 251 parts from the standard van platform. Truck only parts can use the 245-248 body prefix.

That is correct.

All VW parts are numbered regarding to what car they were first used on.

Some parts were carried over from the Baywindow vans, and these parts can have the 211 xx prefix. Some parts (Electrics) were from the Golf/Rabbit, and have the 17 xx prefix. Some parts even from Audi 100/5000 and therefor have the corresponding 44 xx Audi prefix.

Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:10 am

Bassyaks wrote: What is the classification Type 25, T2, T3
FWIW you should be asking about T25 and Type 2 not the other way around. People sometimes assume the T stands for type but it is for transporter. Only the Type 2 designation exists from VW.

Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:04 am

ALIKA T3 wrote: Well, you can give the Brits shit for having bad food and driving on the wrong side of the road, but T25 stands for Typ25 makes sense, which is the official Typ2 name for the 3rd generation. T21 for Bay Window Typ2 :idea:

Incorrect in both fronts I am afraid. These numbers are body variant codes for various generations and do not relate to split, bay, wedge etc. A variant 21 is a panel van and a variant 25 is a microbus irrespective of whether it is a transporter T1, T2 or T3 (not sure about T4 and T5 because they don't really count because the engine is at the wrong end).

Type 25 is a complete misnomer because it does not follow the type convention (type 1 = beetle platform, type 2 = bus platform, type 3 = notch/square/fastback platform) and does not follow the transporter type convention (T1 = split, T2 = bay, T3 = wedge).

Type 25 was just a misguided marketing name for the T3 in the UK and the only name which is worse is the Vanagon in the US.

Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:47 am

I agree that the Vanagon name was a goofy marketing ploy in NA, akin to calling a Passat a Dasher.

"...also, Dude, Vanagon is not the preferred nomenclature. Transporter, please."

The T25 thing has always confused me

Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:34 pm

Mellow Yellow 74 wrote: ALIKA T3 wrote: Well, you can give the Brits shit for having bad food and driving on the wrong side of the road, but T25 stands for Typ25 makes sense, which is the official Typ2 name for the 3rd generation. T21 for Bay Window Typ2 :idea:

Incorrect in both fronts I am afraid. These numbers are body variant codes for various generations and do not relate to split, bay, wedge etc. A variant 21 is a panel van and a variant 25 is a microbus irrespective of whether it is a transporter T1, T2 or T3 (not sure about T4 and T5 because they don't really count because the engine is at the wrong end).

Type 25 is a complete misnomer because it does not follow the type convention (type 1 = beetle platform, type 2 = bus platform, type 3 = notch/square/fastback platform) and does not follow the transporter type convention (T1 = split, T2 = bay, T3 = wedge).

Type 25 was just a misguided marketing name for the T3 in the UK and the only name which is worse is the Vanagon in the US.

You get me confused on that one. There are let's say TYP2 T1 with a "25" body type?

T3 was definitely a made up designation by the crowd for the 3rd generation Transporter that threw everything off. To the point, VW now even uses it on their Classic Parts catalog, bc they realized it was a needed terminology they never made officially by them for that vehicle.

Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:10 pm

ALIKA T3 wrote: You get me confused on that one. There are let's say TYP2 T1 with a "25" body type?

That code is a Deluxe Microbus 7 seater (see http://www.bustopia.com/vw-bus-model-descriptions.html). Although VW did not call each body variant a "type" like this web site does, from 1965 that number would have been used as a prefix in the chassis Number

Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:35 pm

ALIKA T3 wrote:
You get me confused on that one. There are let's say TYP2 T1 with a "25" body type?

The modern 17-digit VIN model designations:
21 - Kastenwagen
22 - Caravelle
23 - Kombi
24 - Transporter/truck
25 - Passenger van/Bus
26 - Pritsche
27 - Krankenwagen

T3's use the following (extended) type/model designations:

245 = Pritschenwagen (Single-cab, LHD)
246 = Pritschenwagen (Single-cab, RHD)
247 = Doppelkabine (Doka, LHD)
248 = Doppelkabine (Doka, RHD)
251 = Kastenwagen (panel van, LHD)
252 = Kastenwagen (panel van, RHD)
253 = Kombi (combo van, LHD)
254 = Kombi (combo van, RHD)
255 = Vanagon/Caravelle (passenger van, LHD)
256 = Vanagon/Caravelle (passenger van, RHD)

ALIKA T3 wrote: T3 was definitely a made up designation by the crowd for the 3rd generation Transporter that threw everything off. To the point, VW now even uses it on their Classic Parts catalog, bc they realized it was a needed terminology they never made officially by them for that vehicle.

No. T4 is the official chassis designation given to the 4th generation Transporter by Volkswagen (no different than the Golf I chassis being A1, the Passat II being B2, etc.). All preceding generations were then, as said, retroactively given the T1, T2, and T3 chassis designations by Volkswagen; however, those generations are all still considered as being Type 2. Ergo:

Type 2 T1 = Split window Bus/Transporter (T1a = "Barndoor"; T1b = all later Splits)
Type 2 T2 = Bay window Bus/Transporter
Type 2 T3 = Vanagon/Caravelle/Volksie Bus/Multivan/Transporter
T4 = Transporter/Multivan/Caravelle/EuroVan (T4a = standard length; T4b = extended length)
T5 = Transporter/Multivan/Caravelle/California
T6 = (Forthcoming)

:wink:

Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:48 pm

T6= To be launchd next week at the Poon family residens in The Netherlands
(I read it in the bigest Norwegian newspaper today)

Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:57 pm

I certainly hope that's the Pon family residence; as in Ben Pon. Poon family residence probably implies an entirely different kind of venue

Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:54 pm

levi wrote: Tom Powell wrote: And what type is this I saw in England?

[img]LT image[/img]

Aloha
tp

good question

Is the LT 35 / 45 a transporter?

LT is an abbreviation for Lasten-Transporter and has nothing really in common with the T3. It is based on the "Light Commercial Platform".
The camper van in the pictures is probably an LT28.

The number is the loading rate, Lt28 is good for 2.8 ton, LT31 for 3.1 ton and so on up to the LT55 which is pretty heavy duty. LT28 and LT31 are equipped with coil springs and all heavier models have blades both in front and rear. They also exist in a 4x4 version.