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Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:31 am

Just a question for Guys 'USING' this cam,So do you like it? Pros/cons? I have one in a Kit car I like 8) Just wondering if it will work good in a 70 Bay? If I recall It's 'sweet spot' is around 2500&3500 rpm, Thanks,madmike

Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:48 am

I've used the Engle 100 cam a few times in buses with hgreat results. Lots of low end power.

Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:12 am

I knew about the w100,, but I only have a w110 sitting on the shelve :wink:

Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:27 am

I have a 110 grind in my 1904 which is in my 71 westy. Let's put it this way, I can deck it 65 and pull to 80 pretty dam quick. Plenty of torque

Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:25 am

I had an 1835 with a 110 in my old '67 Westy, it pulled very well. I'm running a 100 in my current 1600 and it's Ok.

Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:50 am

I tried one on a stock engine in a 1971 Bus years ago! Got a little worse MPG and not that great of low end. Opened up the the stock PICT 34 ventui and that helped the high end just a little. But the Engle W110 seems to be the cam of choice for a Bus with Dual carbs and some headwork. I just put together a 1800 cc type 1 engine for my current 1971 Bus and used a similar cam and dual 36mm dellorto DRLA's, It is quite tame with good torque. I think the W100 or one of the CB Performance milage cams would be a better choice for low end.
But even with the similar to the W110 cam I have, the bus has quite a bit more drive-ability than it was with a stock set-up. Crater Lake Hill Climb Video .

Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:32 pm

Engle sucks...Web cams or nothing.

Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:30 am

I'm working on a dual 40 IDF set up for it and gonna open up the Heads with just a "Fluff&Buff' and search for a decent Header that I can use with a trailer hitch(thought it would be neat to haul my Dragster with a Bus :wink: ) I'm so use to building High output motors :shock: That I have to stop myself from going 'all out' on this build :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:57 am

Alternatively - you could use an Engle # W100; which would be a little easier on your valve train and be a tad cleaner at idle.

Just a 2 cent input - 99% of my driving doesn't require using wide open throttle.

- Andrew in Austin, TX -

Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:15 am

madmike wrote: Just a question for Guys 'USING' this cam,So do you like it? Pros/cons? I have one in a Kit car I like 8) Just wondering if it will work good in a 70 Bay? If I recall It's 'sweet spot' is around 2500&3500 rpm, Thanks,madmike

Depends on the rest of the motor. An otherwise stock 1600 with a 110 style grind wouldn't be that nice in a Bus.

Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:33 am

If I don't see any offers to swap for a W100 :roll: :lol: So,I'll be using this

Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:02 am

Hey, I'm in a similar situation. I have a 2110 ready to go in my 70 westy. It has oval port heads and a bugpack 4062 cam, similar to the 110. Keep thinking about swwapping it out for the 100 before I put the engine in. Just not sure. Wanting to be able to flat tow my 62 bug with the bus.

Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:52 pm

So, madmike if you run those big carbs your probably better off with the 110 than the 100, When I did my 1800 I got a lot of advice on cams mostly for more cam. Are your heads VW, Are you valves stock size? Everyone told me they would be good for torque on the small displacement engine. I take it your going with a 69 mm counterweighted crank and 85.5 piston and cylinders. But on a 69 mm stroke the 88 mm thick wall piston and cylinders would be easy and the cylinder walls are very thick. Just have to cut the heads out to 90.5-92 size to fit the thick wall 88's. The 88's pistons are a little heaver though. I don't feel them slowing things down though with the heaver stroker 74mm counterweighted crankshaft. It will take off in 2nd gear and It will drive around at 30 mph in fourth gear if I don't accelerate it. I can't feel the cam come on or fall off anywhere, very drivable! http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Piston-Cylinder-Set-88mm-x-69mm-Slip-In-p/vw8800t1k.htm
Did you see this article by John at AirCooled.Net? http://www.aircooled.net/1800cc-vw-engine-no-machine-combo/
He recommends one of these camshafts SCAT C-35 Grind, Engle 110, Web 118, Web 163, I went with the Web 163 in mine! Also I know of another bus with a similar build and he went with one of the CB 107' lobe center cams the CB2232 that worked really well in the bus lots of Torque and 24 MPG with the dual carbs. The CB2232 is about the same cam as the Engle W100 but the offset center changes it a little for more low end torque.

Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:47 pm

I ran into a '67 split tie owner today, who amongst a 1776 with dual Kadrons, had the 110 cam that he said was the biggest mistake in the bus. Because he converted to IRS suspension, he said it was missing the low end torque that a bus needs. He also said that with stock reduction gear boxes, it would be perfect.

Not my story, but relevant since he was a regular dude with a regular bus, who did all the work himself and drives his bus every day.

Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:48 am

BIG Carbs?? :lol: Heck the're the smallest I own :wink: only 28mm vents :wink: ,I have a cpl.cars with these on them and get better mileage then any single carb set up 8) One is a Bone stock 1600 :shock: except the header :wink: I think with the 5:37 R&P I'll be good to go,I just want to pull the 550lbs Dragster with the Bus 8) 8) 8)

Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:46 am

Simple rule of thumb on the Engle w100 and 110 cams for the engines up to 1776cc. if you are keeping the stock carb go with the w100. if you plan on going with a duel carb set up stick with the w110. But as previously stated the heads are key.

I run the stock 34 pict 3 on my 71 campers 1776. Engle w100 cam and 041 heads. I also changed the transaxle ring and pinion ratio to a 4:86 to 1. Overall it's been a very dependable combo.

Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:48 am

Hey Guys, I just drove the bus and It's runs great ,I live in a rural area and just driving up the hills on my road it pulls the big one in 3rd and I can ease the throttle and it just pick up speed like on flat ground 8) 8)"I'm Stoked!" well not as excited as the first ride in the Dragster :lol: but still a 'Grin',I retained the stock crank ,thinking I won't be revving to the moon with this motor :wink: 110 cam and stock rockers and pushrods ,I may upgrade to steel at the first sign of a bent one :( :lol HD springs and just a fluff on the heads :wink: :wink: Full flow w/filter,1 1/2 deep sump,dual 40idf's and a Bugpack Header,with stinger for now until modify the dual mufflers to fit :roll: I havn't driven on the highway yet to check mileage but when I do I'll report back,Thanks,Madmike

Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:21 am

Sounds great - What cc engine did you build?

You may want to upgrade to a solid shaft rocker assembly - a PITA with the engine in the Bus, because it will need to be shimmed for side play.

- Andrew in Austin, TX -

Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:24 am

It's just a 1600 :oops: I do have a cpl. sets of bolted shafts laying around here ,I did safety wired the clips on the stockers too so no worries of the popping off,Madmike

Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:47 pm

madmike wrote: It's just a 1600 :oops: I do have a cpl. sets of bolted shafts laying around here ,I did safety wired the clips on the stockers too so no worries of the popping off,Madmike

Huh? Details or pics. I can't think of anything there to safety wire.

If you have solid rocker arm shafts laying around then put them on. When the spring washers fail on a stocker you will have problems. Ever noticed dents from the inside out on old valve covers? Whether stock or not I always use a solid rocker shaft kit. The rocker will always be in position on the valve tip. And you do realize that the pushrods push on the rockers at an angle and not straight on. So it pushes two rockers against the rocker shaft pedestals and the other 2 valves away from the pedestals. Heavy valve springs just push sideways that much more.

With a bus the only advantage of stiffer springs is to let you wear out the entire valve train that much faster. You're not going to be in a position to worry about floating the valves with stock springs.