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Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:57 am

Just picked up an old sad looking Kelmark. I know the Dino's are really rare so I am determined to restore this one. It is on a 68 bug frame with a corvair 110hp conversion. Any help on where to find any parts or info for this old girl would be much appreciated. I have a feeling I will have to fab pretty much everything myself. Does any one else here have one?

Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:12 am

"Had" one:

Probably one of the better built kits. Kelmark specific parts will need to be fabricated. Windshield and back window are not Kelmark specific (I can't remember off the top of my head what they belong to). Doors usually need some work. Nose needs to be well supported to prevent stress cracks near the front wheels. Windows actually work well.

Overall seating and driving position is among the better of kit cars.

Looks like yours needs just a little roof work.

Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:31 am

mine def needs roof,door, and pan work. I actually have the original build manual and docs for the car. I have always thought this was one of the best kit bodies, or at least one that doesn't make me gag like the laser.
Windshield is ford pinto and I will have to have the back one made as it was kelmark. the side windows are the rear 1/4 windows out of a chevelle. Fortunately my side windows are good, just not the tracks.

Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:12 pm

No wonder the side window looks off, they are backwards. If you took some black paint and changed the leading edge of the side window to match the windshield/door line it would look much better and be easy to do. Tom

Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:28 pm

Windshield is Ford Pinto/Mercury Bobcat; door windows are the rear side windows from the 1974-76 Chevrolet Caprice/Impala 2-door... NOT Chevelle.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHEVROLET-IMPALA-2-DOOR-HA...0354314347

Left rear window on Caprice/Impala is right door window on Kelmark... and vice-versa.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3411/3435010534_a5e363b1f8.jpg

Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:47 pm

Heard Chevelle. They look a lot like the chevelle malibu rear 1/4s. You are correct, they are caprice windows. Fortunately I have good side glass. I have the parts list for the build if anyone needs any of the numbers.

Kelmark GT Parts List
BODY
Pre-assembled with:
Main body
doors (2)
deck lids (2)
dash
side cockpit walls (2)
rear cockpit wall Kelmark Design

DOOR HINGE ASSEMBLY
Hinges:
Upper right Ford (D10Z6522800A)
Lower right Ford (D6FZ6222810A)
Upper left Ford (D10Z6522801A)
Upper right Ford (D6FZ6222811A)
Hinge Plates-Inner door (2) Kelmark Design
Hinge Plates-door post (4) Kelmark Design
Hinge Shims (2) Kelmark Design
Bolt Package Standard Fasteners

WINDOW HARDWARE
Left glass GM (Q5090)
Right glass GM (Q5091)
Rollup regulator-left VW (111837501H)
Rollup regulator-right VW (111837502H)
Steel Strap (2) 1/8"x1"x35" Kelmark Design
Steel Strap (6) 1/8"x1"x5" Kelmark Design
Steel Window Channel 1"x12" Somer & Maca
Fabric Covered Channel (2) 3/4"x60" Somer & Maca (B124)
Black Panel Molding (2) 35" Local Lumber
Cat Whister (2) 35" Somer & Maca (YM3)
Outside Window Seal (RH) 35" GM (Cadillac) (9611814)
Outside Window Seal (RH) 35" GM (Cadillac) (9611815)
Window Cranks (2) VW (111837581J13)
Window Crank Washers (2) VW (111837595A14)
Bolt Pack Standard Fasteners

HEADLINER
Black Vinyl - pre-cut Trim Shop
Padding - 1/2" foam Pre-cut Trim Shop
Edge Molding (20ft) Trim-Loc Inc. (100B-3X5/32)

SEATS Kelmark Design

REAR WINDOW
Back Glass - Saftey tinted Kelmark Designs
Gasket Somer-Maca (102-57)

WINDSHIELD & GASKET
Windshield Pinto - all years (774)
Windshield Gasket Pinto - all years (DSFZ 620 3110-A)

LIGHTING GROUP
Tail lights (4) Do-Ray (950 FST 12V-Red)
Rear Turn Signals (2) Do-Ray (950 FST 12V-Amber)
Front Turn Signal (Left) Toyota (81510-29136-86)
Front Turn Signal (Right) Toyota (81520-29136-86)
Headlight Buckets (2) VW Type I (141 941 041)
Headlight Bulbs (2) Auto Parts Item (6014)
Headlight Trim Rings (2) VW - 66-72 Ghia (141 941 175A)
License Plate Light Griffin/Auto Parts Item (22057)
Side Marker Lens (2) Dodge - 68 Charger (2853640)
Side Marker Socket (2) Dodge - 68 Charger (2853646)
Side Marker Nuts (2) Dodge - 68 Charger (2097003)
Side Market Bulb (2) Auto Parts Item (1895)
Side Marker Pigtail (2) Gen. Auto Spec. (3403)

DOOR HARDWARE GROUP
Early Kelmarks :
Outer Handle - Left Capri - thru 74 (DORY 6222-404-A)
Outer Handle - Right Capri - thru 74 (DORY 6222-405-A)

Later Kelmarks used a different outside door handle of British design.

Door Latch - Left Capri - thru 74 (D3RY 6221-813-A)
Door Latch - Right Capri - thru 74 (D3RY 6221-812-A)
Door Striker - Left Capri - thru 74 (D5RY 6522-009-A)
Door Striker - Right Capri - thru 74 (D5RY 6522-008-A)
Striker Plate - Left Capri - thru 74 (DORY 6222-025-A)
Striker Plate - Right Capri - thru 74 (DORY 6222-024-A)
Inner Handle - Left VW - Dealer (111 837-019 H)
Inner Handle - Right VW - Dealer (111 837-020 H)
7/32" Wire (6 ft.) Local Hardware (Clothes Line Wire)
Outer Handle Pad (Small Left) Capri - thru 74 (DORY 6222-449-A)
Outer Handle Pad (Small Right) Capri - thru 74 (DORY 6222-448-A)
Outer Handle Pad (Large Left) Capri - thru 74 (DORY 6222-429-A)
Outer Handle Pad (Large Right) Capri - thru 74 (DORY 6222-428-A)
Lock Knob (2) Capri - thru 74 (DORY 6221-850-A)

DECK LID HARDWARE GROUP
Latches (2) Audi 100LS - 73 (VW 823-827 505)
Latch Keys (2) Kelmark Blueprint (3006-4B)
Strikers (2) Audi 100LS - 73 (VW 823-827 513)
Latch Carriers (2) Kelmark Blueprint (3006-4A)
Rear Carrier Bracket Kelmark Blueprint (3006-4D)
Forward Mounting Plate Kelmark Blueprint (3006-4C)
Springs (2) Conical Comp.
Deck Lid Support Attwood Vacuum Machine (146-80620)
8' Pull Cable Kelmark Design
5' Pull Cable Kelmark Design
Hinge - Left (2) Honda Civic (83510-634-010)
Hinge - Right (2) Honda Civic (83410-634-020)

HEATER/DEFROSTER GROUP
Vent Flanges (6) VW - Dealer (211-259-243)
Vent Controls (6) VW - Dealer (211-259-471)
Nose Flanges (6) Marine Item
Vent Tubing (35') Marine Item
3" Hose Clamps (6) Auto Parts Item

INSIDE MIRROR
Rearview Mirror Pinto - all years (DODZ 17700-A)

FUEL TANK CRADLE
Gas Tank Bracket Kelmark Blueprint (3032A)
Gas Tank Forward Supports (2) Kelmark Blueprint (3032C)
Fas Tank Rear Support Kelmark Blueprint (3032B)

STEERING COLUMN & NOSE SUPPORTS
Front Body Support Weldment (2) Kelmark Blueprint (3033A)
Front Body Support Brackets (2) Kelmark Blueprint (3033B)
Steering Column Support Kelmark Blueprint (3004A)
Steering Column Angles (2) Kelmark Blueprint (3004A)
Steering Column Extension Standard Exhaust Tubing (2 1/4" O.D.)
Steering Column Extension Reducer Standard Exhaust Tubing (1 3/8" I.D. x 2" I.D.)

BODY MOUNTING HARDWARE
Body-Chassis Gasket Bug-Pak (6030)

GASKET FASTENER PACK
Door Gasket (24') Kelmark Design
Trunk Lid Gasket (11') Kelmark Design
Edge Molding (5') Trim-Lok, Inc. (100B-3x5/32)
Misc. Bolt Packs Kelmark
Tube Adhesive 3M - Auto Parts Item (3M-8021)

INTERIOR TRIM PACKAGE
Sear Upholstery (2) Kelmark Design (2737-A-5)
Door Upholstery (2) Kelmark Design
Carpet Kelmark Design
Steering Wheel Racemark (13" Vinyl)
Steering Wheel Adapter Racemark (55231)
Floormats (2) Racemark (38954323)
Shifter Scat (6059)
Dash Insert Trimbrite
Fiberboards (2) Lumber yard
Seat Tracks (4) GM - Late Vans (327352)

EXTERIOR TRIM PACKAGE
VW Headers Bug-Pak (2044)
Engine Louvers (2) Attwood Corp. (011101)
Racing Stripe (2) Trimbrite (T1514)
Chrome Gas Cap Bug-Pak (6034)
License Plate Frame Superior (25-5011)
Bumpers & Bolt Pack Kelmark Design
Racing Mirrors (2) Racemark (5100)

WIRING PACKAGE
Harness Kelmark Design
Fuse Block State Wire (7 way Board)
Horn Relay Gen. Auto Spec. (3201)
Flasher Auto Parts Item (552-356)
Toggle Switch Gen. Auto Spec. (2111)
Toggle Switch Gen. Auto Spec. (2112)
Toggle Switch Gen. Auto Spec. (2107)
Toggle Switch Gen. Auto Spec. (210
Washer Pump & Bottle Auto Parts Item (9175)
Indicator Lights (4) Gen. Auto Spec. (212
Ignition Switch Gen. Auto Spec. (1214)
Headlight Switch Gen. Auto Spec. (1607)
Washer Pump Switch Gen. Auto Spec. (2876)
Nozzle VW - Dealer (111-955-993A)

WHEELS & TIRES
Fabric Radials (2) Rear Goodrich (TA) (GR 50x15)
Fabric Radials (2) Front Goodrich (TA) (ER 60x14)
Jet Wheels (2) Rear American Racing (15x8 1/2)
Jet Wheels (2) Front American Racing (14x7)
Wheel Adapters (4) Superior (VW to Chevy 4 3/4")

GAUGE PACKAGE
Tachometer VDO Instruments (333-016)
Speedometer VDO Instruments (120-712)
Ammeter VDO Instruments (190-032)
Oil Pressure Gauge VDO Instruments (350-043)
Oil Pressure Sender VDO Instruments (360-001)
Fuel Gauge-Modified for VW VDO Instruments (301-722)
Temperature Gauge VDO Instruments (310-014)
Temperature Sender VDO Instruments (323-88

Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:55 pm

Tom_Kathleen wrote: No wonder the side window looks off, they are backwards. If you took some black paint and changed the leading edge of the side window to match the windshield/door line it would look much better and be easy to do. Tom

I definitely have my work cut out for me. I am going to start with a better chassis, then build in a mild tube cage so I can reinforce the roof when i reglass it. the body will line up the door edges when I get that done. It was a large branch that fell on the roof years ago. I have heard there are less than maybe 40 of these left.

Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:55 pm

http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=102827

I remember the cars when they came out new -

http://kelmarkgt.freeforums.org/parts-list-t12.html

Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:58 pm

Tom_Kathleen wrote: No wonder the side window looks off, they are backwards. If you took some black paint and changed the leading edge of the side window to match the windshield/door line it would look much better and be easy to do. Tom

They appear to be off track, or dropped in doors.

Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:08 pm

didget69 wrote: http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=102827

I remember the cars when they came out new -

http://kelmarkgt.freeforums.org/parts-list-t12.html

Thanks, I have both of those lists and the manual. :)
Both windows are off track. they will require a lot of work. going to be toward the end of the project. I am going to take them out for now so they don't get broken

Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:11 pm

didget69
I remember the cars when they came out new -

I do too, only I was just a little kid.

Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:59 pm

I was kicking around doing one of those a year or so ago. The Kelmarks have a lot of variations, so keep that in mind (VW, tube frame, V8, etc) There are a couple on line forums for the cars and the members were very helpful when I was doing my research. I deleted all the links so you will just have to do a search.

Make sure you fully understand the magnitude of the project - Body work is the real big thing on this and you will need to get real good with fiberglass. But they do look sooooooo cool.

Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:22 pm

andk5591 wrote: I was kicking around doing one of those a year or so ago. The Kelmarks have a lot of variations, so keep that in mind (VW, tube frame, V8, etc) There are a couple on line forums for the cars and the members were very helpful when I was doing my research. I deleted all the links so you will just have to do a search.

Make sure you fully understand the magnitude of the project - Body work is the real big thing on this and you will need to get real good with fiberglass. But they do look sooooooo cool.

Thanks :D It is going to be a challenge, and correctly said I will have to get real good with fiberglass. I already joined the 2 forums. Mine has the vw IRS chassis adapted to a corvair 110hp engine .This always has been my favorite model and it has been a dream of mine to do a kit car, so why not Resurrect a rare one in the process :)

Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:54 pm

I always enjoyed the look of the dash in these cars. They used a VDO series called "Jet Cockpit" that were made in the late '70s/early '80s for just a few years. These are extremely hard to come by and when you can find them, they are not cheap. Fix them up if you can.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1214774

Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:20 pm

Here's another option for 'aviation style' gauges...

http://www.egauges.com/vdo_mult3.asp?Type=6_G_Set&Series=Moal_BL&Units=E

Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:28 pm

wow, you guys weren't kidding about the gauge prices. Hopefully mine will be usable. I am going to have to find all of the hatch latches and possibly the drivers door for sure.

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:09 am

jspbtown wrote: "Had" one:

Probably one of the better built kits. Kelmark specific parts will need to be fabricated. Windshield and back window are not Kelmark specific (I can't remember off the top of my head what they belong to). Doors usually need some work. Nose needs to be well supported to prevent stress cracks near the front wheels. Windows actually work well.

Overall seating and driving position is among the better of kit cars.

Looks like yours needs just a little roof work.

I can only hope mine turns out anything like yours did. Do you have any pics or a build thread somewhere I can reference to when I get mine started along? This will be my first kit and to restore an old one is going to be a challenge.. Jeremy

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:15 am

jdarends wrote: Just picked up an old sad looking Kelmark. I know the Dino's are really rare so I am determined to restore this one. It is on a 68 bug frame with a corvair 110hp conversion. Any help on where to find any parts or info for this old girl would be much appreciated. I have a feeling I will have to fab pretty much everything myself. Does any one else here have one?

Wow, that thing looks like it's gone through a war! Good luck, they are nice cars!
Jeff

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:35 am

"JiI"
Wow, that thing looks like it's gone through a war! Good luck, they are nice cars!
Jeff

That is what a florida hurricane and an oak tree gets you. I will bring her back somehow. Jeremy

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:49 am

Good luck for ya amigo! :)
Jeff