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Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:01 am

Hello -
I just bought from ebay a vac dizzy - Part no.
Bosch 0 231 168 015
VW Audi 043 905 2051
Also Z 43 stamped on it and 050 stamped on it.

Am told its a 009 with vac AND Centrifugal advance -
Any ideas please ?
Thanks
Al

Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:28 am

Do you know how to use Google? Go to http://google.com and input 0 231 168 015 . Next read a few of the posts - there are quite a few and surprisingly, many are actually here on the Samba.

Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:34 am

Rev-al wrote: Am told its a 009 with vac AND Centrifugal advance -
Any ideas please ?
Thanks
Al

An 009 is just any SVDA or DVDA distributor that has been stripped of its can(s) and the original moveable breaker plate. So in a backwards sort of way you are right.

Have you searched through the distributor numbers on Oldvolkshome.com?

Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:44 am

Wildthings wrote:
An 009 is just any SVDA or DVDA distributor that has been stripped of its can(s) and the original moveable breaker plate. So in a backwards sort of way you are right.
No it's not, your saying that the mechanical advance in all vacuum/mechanical is the same as a 009. That's just not true.

All mechanical only distributors are not the same.

Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:49 pm

Glenn wrote: All mechanical only distributors are not the same.

True not all 009 distributors have the same maximum advance or even similar curves. They are sold under all different kinds of specs, but most any SVDA or DVDA distributor with the advance can(s) and moving breaker plate removed will operate within the parameters of various distributors that are sold as 009's.

22° advance http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C24%2D0%2D231%2D178%2D009

27° advance http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C24%2D0%2D231%2D178%2D009

40° advance http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C24%2D0%2D231%2D178%2D009

"same" advance WETM http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C13%2D9431%2DB

Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:51 pm

Total advance is only one parameter, the curve (the advance ad different rpm) is different.

Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:11 pm

Glenn wrote: Total advance is only one parameter, the curve (the advance ad different rpm) is different.

Agreed, but which two 009's have the same curve? There is just nothing that makes one distributor without a vacuum can and moveable plate more of an 009 than another.

Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:44 pm

Wildthings wrote: Agreed, but which two 009's have the same curve?
German Bosch 009's have the same curve.

You're comparing aftermarket 009s and they are all crap. 009 has become a generic term and each manufacturer does whatever they like.

That still doesn't make the mechanical part of a Bosch vacuum/mechanical the same.

Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:55 pm

The OP's distributor sounds like one of those late Euro 1600 bus ones to me but I can't find the spec right now. Should behave alot like a 205Q.

Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:04 pm

busdaddy wrote: The OP's distributor sounds like one of those late Euro 1600 bus ones to me but I can't find the spec right now. Should behave alot like a 205Q.
I was PM'd by the OP and gave him this:
Code: Type: Year: Distributor: Points: Rotor: Distr.cap: Condenser:
Trans 1.6 10/75>02/79 0 231 168 015 1 237 013 130 1 234 332 192 1 235 522 193 1 237 330 251

Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:54 pm

Glenn wrote: Wildthings wrote: Agreed, but which two 009's have the same curve?
German Bosch 009's have the same curve.

You're comparing aftermarket 009s and they are all crap. 009 has become a generic term and each manufacturer does whatever they like.

That still doesn't make the mechanical part of a Bosch vacuum/mechanical the same.

I certainly agree it is a generic term and that aftermarket ones can be questionable. But aftermarket ones make up what? something like 99+% of the 009's out there so when people talk of 009's it is almost always the aftermarket ones that they are referring to. I for one after 35+ years of VW involvement am not sure I have ever seen an 009 that was not aftermarket except in pictures.

Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:11 pm

Wildthings wrote: Glenn wrote: Wildthings wrote: Agreed, but which two 009's have the same curve?
German Bosch 009's have the same curve.

You're comparing aftermarket 009s and they are all crap. 009 has become a generic term and each manufacturer does whatever they like.

That still doesn't make the mechanical part of a Bosch vacuum/mechanical the same.

I certainly agree it is a generic term and that aftermarket ones can be questionable. But aftermarket ones make up what? something like 99+% of the 009's out there so when people talk of 009's it is almost always the aftermarket ones that they are referring to. I for one after 35+ years of VW involvement am not sure I have ever seen an 009 that was not aftermarket except in pictures.

Hmmm, interesting topic. We just replaced my wife's cruddy distributor and I assumed it was an 009, because it is a Bosch distributor and the Bosch part number ended in 009. It is sitting in a box awaiting me to rebuild it. So, was this not an 009 then? I am quite confused about what is an 009 and what isn't after reading this....not that it really matters anymore, since we have moved on to a nice little 205ZB.

Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:21 pm

Westfabulous wrote: the Bosch part number ended in 009. It is sitting in a box awaiting me to rebuild it. So, was this not an 009 then? .
Did it have a vacuum advance can on it?, or just round and smooth with nothing sticking out the side but the points wire?

Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:39 pm

0231 178 009 mechanical only
0231 137 009 vacuum only

009 is just the last 3 digits of a 10 digit number like a phone number. If you want to discuss it, just call me at 084.

Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:29 pm

busdaddy wrote: Westfabulous wrote: the Bosch part number ended in 009. It is sitting in a box awaiting me to rebuild it. So, was this not an 009 then? .
Did it have a vacuum advance can on it?, or just round and smooth with nothing sticking out the side but the points wire?

It had a vacuum can on it with advance and retard nipples. It was pretty lousy, but it may have just been due for a refresh. The new 205ZB is much better, and essentially what was supposed to be in there originally (205P). Thoughts?

Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:43 pm

Westfabulous wrote: It had a vacuum can on it with advance and retard nipples. It was pretty lousy, but it may have just been due for a refresh. The new 205ZB is much better, and essentially what was supposed to be in there originally (205P). Thoughts?

Sounds like either a 0231 173 009 or a 0237 022 009 which were dual vacuum dual advance distributors, used on some 1700 and some 2000 engines respectively. Whoever assigned Bosch part numbers must have just chuckled when they stuck an 009 onto another distributor.

Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:44 pm

So it wasn't an "009" that we always refer to.

Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:52 pm

Wow. Thanks WT and DBM. I know DBM loves his 009, so even though my wife's "009" was pretty horrible, I decided to keep an open mind about 009's. The new distributor works much better in her bus. Funny thing is, that her "009" was just horrible off the line, which is a common complaint of the 009. Perhaps just coincidence. I'll post some pics of the Mrs' distributor tomorrow, just for laughs.

Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:10 pm

Don't confuse apples with oranges. :lol: Samba references to 009's are always the mechanical advance only distributor. Your wife's is probably the first time I've ever heard here about a vac advance being called an 009. And we have all been too lazy to previously mention the complete part number. Vac only- no wonder you didn't like it. I'm surprised it even came off the line. :shock: Glad you found a good solution.

Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:35 pm

There are a lot of "009" distributors used by VW in addition to the ones listed above is the vacuum only 113 905 205 K which has a Bosch # ending in 009.