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Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:31 am

I have been looking at a few beetles i would be interested in if they had a title, or knew i could register it no problem.

I know when it comes to motorcycles in NY state if the bike is older than 72-74(right around there) it doesn't need a title, because before then NY didn't issue titles to bikes. Is there something like that with cars as well?

Thanks in advance

Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:48 am

made good friends with google. apparently vehicles before 73 weren't titled.
So anything from 1973 or new needs a title, in NYS

Their still might be loop holes, as i was able to get a title for 1990 motorcycle with just a bill a sale that was notarized(I still feel like i got really lucky on that one).

http://freecenter.org/pdf/DMVRegesteringaVehicle.pdf

Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:50 am

There are forms that you can fill out if you don't have paperwork. your best bet is to cal NYS DMV and ask them for assistance.

Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:49 am

Sometimes teh DMV will want to research the vin # done by a DMV officer and sometimes the DMV requires an affidavit from teh researching officer. It sounds like you can get it done easy enough. Take Glen's advice. Call teh DMV.

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:09 pm

"Is there something like that with cars as well?"

No !

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:28 pm

I had plans to go to an estate auction and bid on an oval window, (I'm in Ohio)that had been sitting for 30 years. The auctioneer said they do have some titles but the titles are for a 65 and 66 (which there were other bugs in the auction) he didn't know what title went to which car, and he said they were no good due to the fact that they had not been properly notarized.

I called the title dept and was told, if it had been titled at some point, I would have to fill out a butt load of paperwork and go in front of a judge and have him release ownership to me. The downfall is when the courts do the research and find the previous owner (or family member) and they come up with a reason why the car should still be theirs the court may not allow ownership to me. Seemed like alot work ..... I ended up not going.

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:30 pm

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/regtitle.htm

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/proove.htm

If your state requires a signed title from the seller before they'll allow you to title it, your selection of vintage VW's shrinks drastically. In many, if not most, states the vast majority of these vehicles are considered title exempt.

In AL, anything built prior to '75 is exempt and here in GA '86 is the cut-off point (unless it's a crane or mobile home :lol: ).

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:39 pm

JerryMCarter1 wrote: "Is there something like that with cars as well?"

No !

Your'e from Phoenix, and incorrect. so hush up.

with non-titled vehicles you need a proof of ownership.
and its actually the same rule as with motorcycles.

"Cars, Trucks and Motorcycles - model year 1972 or older

The acceptable proof of ownership is a NYS transferable registration or the acceptable proof of ownership for that vehicle issued by another state.

NYS does not issue title certificates for 1972 and older vehicles. NYS DMV normally issues a transferable registration for proof of ownership for a 1972 or older motor vehicle. The owner can use the transferable registration to transfer ownership to another person. If the proof of ownership is a NYS registration document, make sure the registration document is marked "transferable" on the front. The person whose name appears on the proof of ownership must sign the transfer section of the proof of ownership.

Different states issue different documents for ownership and transfer of older vehicles. To make sure that an out-of-state document is the acceptable proof of ownership, contact the DMV in the state that issued the document."

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:40 pm

stasher1 wrote:

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/proove.htm

Thanks

Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:26 pm

Idon't think you read it all,,
It says under acceptable proofs of ownership that the
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“acceptable proof of ownership is a title certificate from and state and a bill of sale""
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This means that with the VIN number there is a title – I have never heard of a car being originally sold without a title – in any state – so the correct answer is still no. carss are not sold like motorcycles and they must have a correct titled owner.

Now,, you just try to buy insurance with a car that has no title – good luck

Jerry – from Washington - Arizona

Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:37 pm

Put mine on the road with sellers registration card. 1972 Super here in NYS.
No hassles just daily routine for DMV.

Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:52 pm

You def should call the DMV or title dept in your county. I bought my 71 in texas back in the early 90's then took it to ohio. They told me if i am the owner I needed to show the title and if the bank was holding the title I needed the paperwork from the bank and any registration paperwork from the previous owner so they can pull the info from it. I had the title in hand.

now that was back in the 90's so things may have changed. But i can say most states should have pretty much the same policy on this across the board ...... in case ppl move to another state. That would make sense, but you know how things that make perfect sense go :D

Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:54 pm

nope i did read it all...

ill paraphrase for you

Cars, Trucks and Motorcycles - model year 1973 or newer
The acceptable proof of ownership is a title certificate from any state and a bill of sale.
(Just a you said)

However
Cars, Trucks and Motorcycles - model year 1972 or older
The acceptable proof of ownership is a NYS transferable registration or the acceptable proof of ownership for that vehicle issued by another state...
NYS does not issue title certificates for 1972 and older vehicles.

SO, anything older than 1972 does not have a title in NYS. There are numerous other state like like. Some are more strict, other not so much. Vermont for example will let people who don't live there register some vehicles. All state DMVs have different rules, just because you can't do it in an Arizona DMV doesn't mean it can or cant over here in NY. which was my question, what can be done in nys.

Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:30 pm

The key is acceptable proof of ownership
One must have a acceptable proof of ownership in order to register the car – we use the word title
did you read the accepatble proof clause?
all cars a orginally titiled - one must then present that documentation of the truthful owner