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Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:14 pm

Hi gang,
Preface: new van to me, from original owner - never has seen salt - rarely seen winter - a dream machine - but purchased to be used, even in winter (judiciously of course). So, here are some before and after pix of Winry's new Waxoyl underbody treatment. Although not affiliated, I had the work performed by Overland Corrosion Protection in S. Burlington, VT. Completely professional and informative, Taylor and Steve are amazing. They are big 4x4 affictionados (Rovers and Yotas) so were pumped to have at it with the Syncro, their first.

They were supremely patient when I went over with them what I was respectfully expecting them to hit: intake towers, frame, control arms, up the spaces from behind the headlights, above the spare, door vents, etc.
I also specified *not* hitting the shift linkage, driveshaft, tranny, engine. They were 100% on the mark.

They hit every crevice that I could find, and then some that I did not point out, with their Clear Waxoyl (120-4). This stuff is almost exactly like TK's panel wax but is applied with a long, thin tube ("wand" to Waxoyl) which they can snake into a lot of small spaces. Although I did not ask, as I was about 75% complete with coating the interior panels with panel wax myself, they still climbed in and coated every wall (I had most interiors panels removed), floor seam and lower door holes (slider, rear hatch) with their fogger system: orange and tacky, this stuff leaked into every seam that it painted.

Underbody hardwax was the thicker bulk of the treatment, and was applied with a small, rigid greasegun-like tip. Very accurate without much overspray. If they misprayed anything, including exterior body, I sure as heck couldn't tell.

They even washed the outside and vaccumed the interior, and kept it stored inside their heated shop for a week until I could pick her up... it was a freakin' spa treatment! They are even the ones who snapped the below pix for me, which they also provided hardcopy in plastic photo protector pages. Top-notch.

The orange you see pre-treatment was my liberal application of panel wax. It seemed to coat ok, but was not ideally thick (but because fo this it penetrated incredibly well). I needed more, hence the Waxoyl.

I picked it up and yapped with Steve about this and that (he has a nutso early 2000's Toyota p/u decked to the nines in offroad attire, which Toyota is actually recalling to replace his whole frame... sweet!) and then mentioned about exterior bedliner treatment. He walked me back to his truck in the corner and pointed out that he did the same to his... and it looked great and felt tough as nails! :)

I was going to go with Herculiner roll-on, but he said that for ease of application, less mess, measured thickness per coat, and convenience, that I should take a serious look at Plastikote aerosol bedliner ( http://www.plastikote.com/plastikote/products/Truck%20Bed%20Liner/Truck-Bed-Liner-Spray.html ). Went to the local FLAPS and they had both. Spent about an hour online with my Blackberry doing some research, and then another 30 minutes pacing, then went with the Plastikote.

Spent 16-ish hrs on Sat doing a ton of prep and taping, woke up sore as hell on Sunday, repreped with another compressor air pass and acetone wash, took a gulp and then had at it. Did a mild bra (just to the top of the headlight grill and then back to the door where the gutter ends, along the bodywork crease to meet the top of the OEM, side colored tape line), 8"rocker, fender flares, and in back to just below the license plate. Ended up doing three coats on the front, and two along the rest, and only used four cans. I'll post pix asap (still have to bolt up the bumpers and grills) but I'm pretty psyched. It ain't perfect by any means, but neither am I, so I'm fine with it. I have no bodywork history, so even though it's obviously DIY, the whole tub and now up around to a sidewall "waterline", are as protected from road debrius and grime as I can do right now short of a full body-off resto.

Hell. Yeah.

Edit:
Waxoyl - $800
DIY Plastikote bedline treatment - Under $100

Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:46 pm

That looks awesome! How long is it supposed to last?

Can't wait to see the pics of the plastikote.

Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:15 pm

They said that it is blended to cure and last for a verrry long time, many years. They even said that, within reason, they would touch up gouges, and would give heavy discounts in the distant future for larger repairs/resprays. I trust them.

Official FAQ (not affiliated in any way):
http://www.waxoyl-usa.com/waxoyl-faqs-tech-tips.html

Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:39 pm

I wish there was an installer in my area. :(
Luckily I still have most of the original rubberized undercoat on my Syncro but I'd love to get this done.

Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:02 pm

Yeah, I can relate. My van's undercoating was still ~ 90-95% intact. Just wanted the extra assurances.

As my Pops has always said:
"The Department of Redundancy Department"

:lol:

Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:39 pm

Here's what you pretty much can expect out of the wax undercoating.

My 74 Westfalia had it applied somewhere early in it's life.
I say this because I live in the rust belt and just about every fastener I have touched under the Bus is a spin off item--no rust, no corrsion.
The entire underside has a thick wax film build up and not one speck of rust.

So if the bottom was squeaky clean when you had it shot on , I would say you should be good for at least 36 years of no rustation.

Good stuff with an excellent life span.

Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:43 pm

Cool.

The irony of course being that Toyota truck recall for frame rust.

Hope yours last a lot longer

Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:37 am

I have used all of the undercoatings available here in the US.
I now solely use Wurth products.
Highly recommended.

dylan

Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:29 am

Wow -- your pics look really nice and the procedure on their web-site looks very thorough. I've been having great results for the past few years with sloppy application of several different wax-based coatings (waxoyl, procyon, LPS-3) and I'm starting to become a believer. They're only about 2 hours from me -- I may have to try them out!

-Bill
'89 Syncro

Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:29 pm

Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:32 pm

Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:52 pm

buildyourown wrote: Cool.

The irony of course being that Toyota truck recall for frame rust.

Hope yours last a lot longer

Yeah, that wasn't lost on me either. BUT, he had not sealed his. It's been rusting for some time so it seems he saw no utility in having done it yet. A very good call, as I bet he plasters the new frame with his product.

:D

Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:58 pm

stormforge wrote: Wow -- your pics look really nice and the procedure on their web-site looks very thorough. I've been having great results for the past few years with sloppy application of several different wax-based coatings (waxoyl, procyon, LPS-3) and I'm starting to become a believer. They're only about 2 hours from me -- I may have to try them out!

-Bill
'89 Syncro

Hi Bill,
Give a holler if coming through.

I wonder if we should start a N. NY/New England/Canada thread...
have a Spring GTG (get-together) perhaps?

Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:21 am

Hey shmcquilkin, How's your waxoyl doing? Are you still happy with it at the end of winter? Is there anything you would have done differently?

Thanks!
-Bill
'89 Syncro

Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:54 am

Hi: If anyone wants to make their own Waxoyl it's quite a simple process
Spray Formula-Being cheap, a DIY waxoyl substitute that seems to work just fine can be made from the following:

1 gallon mineral spirits
1/4 - 1/2 lb of cheap candles (parrafin works best, but is kinda spendy)
1/2 quart ATF

Oddly enough, mineral spirits will dissolve candle wax pretty easily. Grate the candles up with an old cheese grater, and put the shavings in the mineral spirits. Add the ATF and let things sit until the wax is in solution. If you want to speed things up, you can place the mix in a tub of hot water. Shake occasionally, and within a week everything is set.
Load it into a cheap garden sprayer, and go to town on the underside of your car. (clean of course) Once the mineral spirits evaporate you're left with a nice semi flexible undercoating for cheap. Make sure to get the solution everywhere, in all the crevices you can.
As an aside, try to use non-colored candles. Somewhere out there is an old F-150 with a pink coating of wax all along the underside

Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:38 am

Waxoyl is an amazing product! I get mine through Rovers North in the spray cans. Funny enough, last fall I coated my new Tacoma to prevent any possibility of rust. The spray cans are great and overspray is easily wiped off before the wax hardens.

I am planning on doing a full treatment to my syncro here shortly now that it is back out of storage.

Great info on the plastikote, what kind of prep work did you do?

Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:16 pm

pioneer1 wrote: Hi: If anyone wants to make their own Waxoyl it's quite a simple process
Spray Formula-Being cheap, a DIY waxoyl substitute that seems to work just fine can be made from the following:

1 gallon mineral spirits
1/4 - 1/2 lb of cheap candles (parrafin works best, but is kinda spendy)
1/2 quart ATF

Oddly enough, mineral spirits will dissolve candle wax pretty easily. Grate the candles up with an old cheese grater, and put the shavings in the mineral spirits. Add the ATF and let things sit until the wax is in solution. If you want to speed things up, you can place the mix in a tub of hot water. Shake occasionally, and within a week everything is set.
Load it into a cheap garden sprayer, and go to town on the underside of your car. (clean of course) Once the mineral spirits evaporate you're left with a nice semi flexible undercoating for cheap. Make sure to get the solution everywhere, in all the crevices you can.
As an aside, try to use non-colored candles. Somewhere out there is an old F-150 with a pink coating of wax all along the underside

I have serviced a Vanagon used as a farm truck for years.
The special blend the farmer coated the entire underbody with was Bar and Chain oil heated to melt fresh bees wax and sprayed with a $20 Shutz gun.
This stuff was very plyable and wicked extremely well.
The van was beaten, but not badly rusted at all.

Sun May 01, 2011 7:14 am

stormforge wrote: Hey shmcquilkin, How's your waxoyl doing? Are you still happy with it at the end of winter? Is there anything you would have done differently?

Thanks!
-Bill
'89 Syncro

Only had the van out in extreme weather over the past few months, and then washed it before re-storing. The Waxoyl's great, no probs that I can see at all. Still well worth it, especially with the past winter and all of the salt that was spread.

goskiracer wrote: Waxoyl is an amazing product! I get mine through Rovers North in the spray cans. Funny enough, last fall I coated my new Tacoma to prevent any possibility of rust. The spray cans are great and overspray is easily wiped off before the wax hardens.

I am planning on doing a full treatment to my syncro here shortly now that it is back out of storage.

Great info on the plastikote, what kind of prep work did you do?

Lol, Rovers North is just up the road from me. Have not swung in yet, but that is where the Waxoyl shop owner works. I called RN first, then they sent me to Taylor.

The prep work was really basic. The hand sanding was time-consuming, but with all of the bends and nooks around the body, I wanted to make sure that I prepped as much as possible:
Wash + dry
Tape off
Acetone clean
Hand sand
Air compressor to blow off dust
Re-acetone
Dry
Apply

Cheers,
Scott

Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:30 am

does it dry or is does it stay sticky?