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Varthog
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 Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:02 am Post subject: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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Hi there guys,
Well i am rather curious person so started research regarding PTO's. I was thinking is there any kind of possibility of installing PTO to the t3/Beetle gearbox...kinda odd but dead serious question? Since we (couple of buddies) are trying to build all purpose buggy we wanted professional opinion about this.
So if anyone can share their information it would be perfect.
Where to get one? How to obtain it? Procedure?
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raul arrese
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:07 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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Explain what your trying to do and maybe we can give you some ideas.??
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Varthog
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:20 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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| For now there are possibility of having winch or turning it into 4x4 in the time of need. These are just first thoughts i have in mind. |
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Varthog
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:33 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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| pto for hydraulics or air pressure is third idea and the more i think i would go in this direction (reason for pto). |
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vwracerdave
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:44 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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No, not with a Type I gearbox. Your only choice would be to adapt a transaxle out of a 4WD Syncro.
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Varthog
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:50 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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Type 1 out of question, what about type3? These two are the choices i have for now, thats why i am so glued to those two .
Because i am totally in the dark regarding this thats why i seek your help guys. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:51 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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Belt drive pump with an electric clutch will be the easiest way
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Varthog
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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| Okey that is one way to approach the problem. |
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Varthog
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:29 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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| Any other advice for this ? |
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timcurtis67
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:33 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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Subaru tranny....
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TinCanFab
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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I've worked on some big railroad trucks where the PTO was mounted to the front bumper and driven by a short driveshaft with u-joints. IIRC the driveshaft mounted directly to the crank, in the center of the pulley. If you can't or don't want to do a belt drive. Depending on the type of buggy and if you don't mind seeing the thing hanging off the back. Maybe you can make the whole setup quick release when not using it. I have no idea how well this would work on a VW compared to a big Diesel engine though.
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Varthog
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:22 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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Aww subaru ...im not that kinda good with the money  that is why i stick with the T3 & T1 transmission (i have no other options)
Seems like i asked for taboo XD |
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Dale M.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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Electric winch.... Or some thing like hydraulic pump or air compressor run off crank pulley with belts...
You will be building a $5,000 transaxle to run a $500 (or less) device...
Dale
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Varthog
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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| Dale M. wrote: |
Electric winch.... Or some thing like hydraulic pump or air compressor run off crank pulley with belts...
You will be building a $5,000 transaxle to run a $500 (or less) device...
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Even if i go in this direction "pto for hydraulics or air pressure is third idea and the more i think i would go in this direction (reason for pto)." |
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slalombuggy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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Type 1 and 3 use the same transaxle. I seem to remember an AWD sand dragster back in the late 80s that used a hydraulic system to drive the front wheels using a glorified engine oil pump. Killed the competition and got protested out of the class. Was in HVWs mag
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luvthemvws
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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Nothin to it.
Simply install the oil pump into the engine from an Autostick application and use the fluid pressure to drive a hydraulic motor. It's only about 50psi, but geared properly it should drive almost anything you need.
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Dale M.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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| Dale M. wrote: |
Electric winch.... Or some thing like hydraulic pump or air compressor run off crank pulley with belts...
You will be building a $5,000 transaxle to run a $500 (or less) device...
Dale |
Some winches use hydraulics tapped into vehicles power steering system.... If you neet rotational power, how about using power steering pump (belt driven) tied to hydrostatic drive motor...
Dale
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Possibility to put PTO on Beetle or t3 Gearbox? |
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| slalombuggy wrote: |
Type 1 and 3 use the same transaxle. I seem to remember an AWD sand dragster back in the late 80s that used a hydraulic system to drive the front wheels using a glorified engine oil pump. Killed the competition and got protested out of the class. Was in HVWs mag
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If I remember right, that was the black widow, it was a mud racer. It originally got protested because it was a 2 wheel drive, thats when they came up with the hyd. drives for the front.
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T3 in this guys case means 3rd gen transporter. The "vanagon"