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21junkstreet Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2013 Posts: 72 Location: Memphis, TN.
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:25 pm Post subject: I need a 1641 bus cam recommendation. |
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I have a 66 bus, with a 68 beetle gearbox, 1641 , AK case , dual port, stock heads. Right now my motor is apart for another reason, but I'm considering a camshaft change. Right now I'm using an Engle W100 cam with a stock 34 Pict carb. I found that I use higher rpms when I drive. I would like to install a set of Kaddies because I have used the before on my bug and liked them. So my question is, should I use a 110 or maybe something from the VZ range, OR, keep the 100 but maybe use some 1.4:1 rockers for some more upper end use. I am also not opposed to buying a set of 041 heads either. What do you think? |
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borninabus Samba R&D Dept.
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4536 Location: Arizona Highways
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: I need a 1641 bus cam recommendation. |
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with stock valved heads, you are not really even seeing the full benifits of the W100 @ high RPMs
kadrons would a (small) step in the right direction.
assuming of course that you have a decent header. _________________ 88 Van WBX, A/T - 13 JSW TDI 6M/T - 2012 Touareg TDI Sport |
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: I need a 1641 bus cam recommendation. |
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I was wondering how your bus engine idles with the W-100 camshaft and the PICT 34 set-up Mine would not idle at all with all that retard on the ignition the PiCT 34 is supposed to run at. What distributor and where were you timming it? I found those DVDA distributors got to run way over advanced to work with the W-100 let alone the W-110. You like the Dellortos? I saw your (fuel pump question) thread on the 66 SquareBack with the 34's, why not get some 36mm Dell's for the bus then run a W-110 or better yet something even better.
By the way I have been running the 3 1/2 lb Rotary CB-Performance 3193 fuel pump with good luck. But you can get by with stock mechanical pumps on both if they run cool. _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5967 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:50 am Post subject: Re: I need a 1641 bus cam recommendation. |
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I built a single port 1641 for an early bus, using a scat c10 cam, and it ran really nicely. Great torque (single port haha) and much more pep than an average 1600. _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: I need a 1641 bus cam recommendation. |
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The stock heads are fine for a 1641cc or even running 88mm slip machine in pistons and cylinders for 1679cc's. I have built a couple of engines using the DRD L3 heads though which are supposed to be a little better than stock but still have stock 35.5mm X 32mm valves which is what you want in a bus. The SCAT C10 is not listed anywhere I think it's pretty close to stock. I have e-mailed John at Aircooled.net about this vary subject a few times in the past and there aren't many cams to choose from if you keep the PICT 34 Carb. The W-100 is about the Maximum cam he recommends. I tried a W-110 with the PICT 34 in a Bus once and it worked but the bus actually lost a lot of low end with it but it ran fine on the highway. Maybe the WebCam 86 Grind, some like the Eagle 2280 cheater camshaft but it is actually a bit milder: 2280.
There is a fellow here in Oregon that put the 2241 cam in his bus with 40mmX35.5mm 044 heads and left the heaters on it, not recommended but claims it's a good combination. I think he is running 40mm Weber IDF Dual Carbs with that combination.
This is another thread I had asking a similar bus cam question as your are asking. Which cam, heads and exhaust would you run and why?. _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2002 Posts: 12785 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3461 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: I need a 1641 bus cam recommendation. |
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That Cam is Sweet. That really is as perfect as you can get for the set up. Now please get rid of those 1641 thin barrels and put some thickwalls in so you can get some serious miles out of that engine! You have the thing apart anyhow, you will be crazy not to. 1641 might live for awhile in a bug but your begging for heartbreak in the bus.
For $189 you cant go wrong, don't need to machine the case, and get yourself some new heads opened for 90.5/92's anyhow. Then you will have a 1679 with piece of mind.
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Piston-Cylinder-Set-88mm-x-69mm-Slip-In-p/vw8800t1k.htm _________________ [email protected] MPH 1/4 Mile & 8.1 @ 83.7MPH in 1/8 Mile with Mild Type 1 VW Mag Case 2234cc commuter engine in stock weight bug w/only .491 total lift(CB2292 Cam), 42x37 heads, 48idf's, Street tires, Belt on, Mufflers, Pump gas, video of the run here: https://youtu.be/M3SPqMOKAOg
Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth.
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: I need a 1641 bus cam recommendation. |
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If doing so, cut the heads for 88 thickwall machine in heads which is same as a 90.5 or 92mm cylinder as far as the head opening goes. Not 94's. _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3461 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: I need a 1641 bus cam recommendation. |
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Danwvw wrote: |
If doing so, cut the heads for 88 thickwall machine in heads which is same as a 90.5 or 92mm cylinder as far as the head opening goes. Not 94's. |
Good catch! I corrected my post. _________________ [email protected] MPH 1/4 Mile & 8.1 @ 83.7MPH in 1/8 Mile with Mild Type 1 VW Mag Case 2234cc commuter engine in stock weight bug w/only .491 total lift(CB2292 Cam), 42x37 heads, 48idf's, Street tires, Belt on, Mufflers, Pump gas, video of the run here: https://youtu.be/M3SPqMOKAOg
Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth. |
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21junkstreet Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2013 Posts: 72 Location: Memphis, TN.
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: I need a 1641 bus cam recommendation. |
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Dan, it idles a little lopey at 800 rpm but not terrible like an all out race cam, but I had it idled a little high. At 1000 rpm. It seemed to like it better on cold idle. I am using a 009 with a electronic ignition. Forgot the brand but it's not Pertronix. |
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21junkstreet Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2013 Posts: 72 Location: Memphis, TN.
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: I need a 1641 bus cam recommendation. |
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I'll probably go with the web cam mentioned earlier and a set of Kaddies. I need machine work and a new. case anyway. 90.5s are calling. But I should listen to reason and do 88s |
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