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lnestes Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2006 Posts: 54 Location: Eastern Washington State
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:48 pm Post subject: Need new Shocks |
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My 70 vert is in dire need of new shocks.
Does anyone have suggestions or experience as to which ones to buy.
My car is not a daily driver and only used for occasional short trips and car shows. Thanks for any help _________________ A great day is a sunny day and an old German Convertible
70 Ghia Vert
69 Porsche 912 Targa SOLD
73 Thing SOLD
30 model A roadster hot rod |
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sactojesse Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2006 Posts: 2655 Location: Sacramento, California, USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Need new Shocks |
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For comfort and ride quality, the stock replacement Boge fluid shocks are good. If you want something sportier, you could use low-pressure gas shocks such as the KYB GR2/Excel-G. A high pressure gas shock such as the KYB Gas-A-Just will give you the firmest ride. I'm running GR2s front and Gas-A-Just rear. Don't run the Gas-A-Just shocks in front. They are too stiff. _________________ 1966 Karmann-Ghia convertible |
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rcooled Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2008 Posts: 2491 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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lnestes Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2006 Posts: 54 Location: Eastern Washington State
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Need new Shocks |
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Thanks all. Just sent my order off to Rockauto. _________________ A great day is a sunny day and an old German Convertible
70 Ghia Vert
69 Porsche 912 Targa SOLD
73 Thing SOLD
30 model A roadster hot rod |
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J1 Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2014 Posts: 698 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: Need new Shocks |
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Looks like those shocks from rockauto are now $21. Wait long enough and you can save a couple bucks
Sorry for the ignorance but do these and any other front shock for a ball joint beam require the vw specific mounting kit? Or do they come with their own mounting hardware? _________________ 1971 Ghia coupe. Assume I know nothing and you'll be pretty darn close to the truth. |
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akear Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2013 Posts: 359 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 10:38 am Post subject: Re: Need new Shocks |
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Mounting kit is separate and if you need new shocks you'll need new kit too. I replaced dust covers as well. There may be better prices but this CIP1 link shows images for both...
http://www2.cip1.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=131-498-441-CP |
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72KarmannGhia Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2018 Posts: 14 Location: Washington
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Need new Shocks |
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Good thread. My Ghia had been setting for 31 years and shocks are shot. I want to return to original as possible. Heard that the KYB G2/Excel G are too stiff for the Ghia and raises front end about an inch.
Has anybody found dust covers and mounting hardware less expensive than CIP1? Raises price substantially to buy each. If not available on RockAuto will the CIP1 dust cover and mounting hardware fit the Sachs product below. Is there an 800 number for Rock Auto that I missed? Could not find dust cover and mounting hardware on Rock Auto.
Front Fluid OEM Replacement Shock - If I interpreted the thread above correctly.
SACHS 313898 {#113413031D, 113413031E, 113413031K} Twin-Tube; Type:Oil Pressure; Mounting Type:Top pin, Bottom eye Info
Front; w/ double jointed axle rear suspension
My 1972 Ghia Coupe, does it have the double jointed axle rear suspension?
What about the IAP brand on Rock Auto for front and rear? Fluid versus Gas? I prefer a less stiff ride but have no experience in selecting shocks. This will not be a daily driver. The Monroe's are fluid but I do not want Blue.
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KGCoupe Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2005 Posts: 3580 Location: Putting the "ill" and "annoy" in Illinois
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Need new Shocks |
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72KarmannGhia wrote: |
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Front Fluid OEM Replacement Shock - If I interpreted the thread above correctly.
SACHS 313898 {#113413031D, 113413031E, 113413031K} Twin-Tube; Type:Oil Pressure; Mounting Type:Top pin, Bottom eye Info
Front; w/ double jointed axle rear suspension
My 1972 Ghia Coupe, does it have the double jointed axle rear suspension?
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That is the only one of your questions that I can address, and the answer is "Yes" your 1972 Karmann Ghia does indeed have the double jointed axle rear suspension (which is commonly referred to as Independent Rear Suspension, or IRS).
The IRS suspension became standard on all Karmann Ghias sold in the U.S. beginning in the 1969 model year, however it also came standard on just those 1968 model year Karmann Ghias fitted with the AutoStick transaxle. |
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72KarmannGhia Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2018 Posts: 14 Location: Washington
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Need new Shocks |
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Thanks ---- Good to know that IRS and double jointed axle rear suspension are the same. Appreciated.
Anybody have any shock recommendations? I have new Michelin XZX on route and need to replace the shocks before I place the new tires on the Ghia. Leaning towards fluid versus gas.... perhaps KYB Excel gas on back and fluid on front?
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andk5591 Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2005 Posts: 16754 Location: State College, PA
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Need new Shocks |
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I use excels all around unless I want it stiffer in the rear. Then I will use Gas Adjusts in the rear only. You still get a nice comfortable ride. _________________ D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
Rosie 65 bug - My mostly stock daily driver.
Woodie 69 VW woodie (Hot VWs 7/12).
"John's car" 64 VW woodie - The first ever
Maxine 61 Cal-look bug - Cindy's daily driver.
Max - 73 standard Beetle hearse project - For sale
66 bug project - Real patina & Suby conversion
There's more, but not keeping them... |
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72KarmannGhia Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2018 Posts: 14 Location: Washington
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Need new Shocks |
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OK, thanks for the advice. I just ordered the KYB Excels from RockAuto. Great price as it was $92 with shipping for all 4 shocks. Half the price of the local chain.
Thanks all for your help. Hopefully here by Friday to install. |
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swavananda Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2009 Posts: 889 Location: Can o' Scruz
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Need new Shocks |
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CB has a good deal on the mounting kits:
http://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/3993.htm
IMO the gas shocks are to stiff for the light front ends. Sure if you only use the car a little bit , No big deal. But for a car that gets a lot of road time ,Oil is the only way to go. It is very noticeable ride difference . |
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72KarmannGhia Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2018 Posts: 14 Location: Washington
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: Need new Shocks |
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Thanks... just checked back in. Probably good advice on the fluid shocks as I just received my KYB Excels today. Fronts were made in Japan. Rears were Japan and Mexico with the one from Japan leaking in the box. So, will need to send back to Rock Auto.
Any experience out there with Rock Auto? Don't like using shocks from different country manufacturer (Japan and Mexico); 3 of 4 from Japan and 1 from Mexico.
Now that one rear shock is leaking (Japan), in the box, my confidence has lowered greatly.
Anybody have a telephone number for Rock Auto to see how I can perhaps bye the Sachs/Boge fluids instead from them? |
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72KarmannGhia Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2018 Posts: 14 Location: Washington
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Need new Shocks |
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Whoops …. I meant "buy." |
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