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raygreenwood
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 Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:13 pm Post subject: Poll/question: what type 4 specifc how to guides would help? |
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So over the past few weeks I have posted a few more "how to's" than normal. Mainly....because some have been in the works for quite a while and I had the pictures taken and the outline ready.
Others like the transmission rebuild and front end stripping are ongoing. The gas flap cable and the fuel pressure regulator. ..were quickies.
There are lots of parts and sub-assemblies that have either been rebuilt or are in process tht ai have thousands of pictures for. What is everyone interested in?
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titan3c
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Poll/question: what type 4 specifc how to guides would help? |
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That's a great offer Ray, and I'm sure I will come up with something soon. Right now I'm looking forward to the your solution to the rear window cardboard trim. That will make me very happy. That's the one major "eye-sore" part that can ruin the whole enterior . Also I still have the cover from underneath the steering column off, and will send it to you when you wish for use in making a similar improvement.
Thanks for all the help you give us. Bob |
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Lahti411
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Poll/question: what type 4 specifc how to guides would help? |
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1) Rebuilding brake and clutch master cylinders + rebuilding clutch slave cylinder. I see people asking about these items constantly. They are not that difficult to repair (if the damage isn't too serious), but as there aren't new parts available, these are often the first problems a new 411/412 owner will bump into.
2) Rebulding the manual transmission. Of course DIY gearbox rebuild is not a task for every type 4 owner, but it's an interesting topic, i'd like to read more about.
3) Rebuilding the front suspension. There could be couple of options for this one: One that includes rebulding of the centerlink, replacing the original struts with Audi cartridges, replacing the top bearings with Beetle bearings and replacing the idler arm bushing with a one made of bronze. The other version of this theme could include all the extra the modifications (adjustable front subframe alignment, double steering damper etc.
4) Replacing the suspension bushings both front and rear.
5) Replacing the rear shock absorbers.
6) Rebuilding the Eberspäscher BA4 heater.
7) The basics of the fuel injection. Where to start with a car that has been sitting unused or what are the most typical issues with the D-jet.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Poll/question: what type 4 specifc how to guides would help? |
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| Installing engine and Transmission. Correct alignment etc. |
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Poll/question: what type 4 specifc how to guides would help? |
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On rebuilding the front suspension:
I have the audi strut mod document out there.....but using the super beetle bushing would be a nice addition.
I think I did the centerlink rebuild.
I had some basics for the bronze idler bushing....and still have lots of pictures so I could do it.
I can also break out the subframe adjustments section as well since it is done.
I cant remember.....but I think I have a delrin control arm bushing and new radius arm bushing segment for rebuild as part of another document but I can break that out and complete it.
The 004 rebuild.....is not far from getting back on track. I have the adjusting jigs done.....just waiting on parts.
Things I can fairly quickly:
1. I have caliper rebuild pictures done. Just need to make a document.
2. I can do a master cylinder rebuild from a 003 kit.
3. Rebuild and adjustment of the type 4 steering box is all photographed just need to make a document or thread.
Longer term.
About mid summer when the front end is together and back on the ground I will be able to turn the car around. Items that will be done as how to's are......rebuild of rear trailing wishbones with replacement bushings, grease fitting and type 3 disc brake kit.
Rear shocks, shifter linkage correction and mods, addition of VW mk 5 and 6 clutch slave, muffler build,
In the front end.....moving both clutch and master cylinder to trunk deck and building and installing the relay levers to operate them.
Let me get a list together of what has been done and whats next. Ray |
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Lars S
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Poll/question: what type 4 specifc how to guides would help? |
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Ray, I think we all are wery thankful for what you already have put down in writing.
For my own sake any Type4 item that comes up will be of great intrest.
Maybe there could be a way to gather the different how-to threads and the rebuild docs into some "collection" (similar to a workshop manual) so that they are easily to search and download so that one can reach it even if TheSamba happens to be off line....as you note Im not sure what Im asking for but maybe you get the point.
Lars S
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Poll/question: what type 4 specifc how to guides would help? |
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| Lars S wrote: |
Ray, I think we all are wery thankful for what you already have put down in writing.
For my own sake any Type4 item that comes up will be of great intrest.
Maybe there could be a way to gather the different how-to threads and the rebuild docs into some "collection" (similar to a workshop manual) so that they are easily to search and download so that one can reach it even if TheSamba happens to be off line....as you note Im not sure what Im asking for but maybe you get the point.
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 ...what...are you reading my mind?
About two years ago...my plan was to document everything I do...which I have been.....but then to put it into a "living" document with a table of contents, tabs for quick reference....all in an on-line "flip book" style.
The problem I ran into after months of research is that there are a zillion types of flip book software...some of it not great in functionality...and much of it cumbersome in both usage and in data/size terms.
I had been looking at both Richard Atwell's site ...which is just a collection of articles in common page format...an archive if you will....and somewhat at Brad Anders D-jet site on Rennlist.
Both...even though they are webpages. I will get there hopefully this year with a website for my business...maybe I can just make a segment of the website as the repository for these how to's.
As i finish my car...hopefully in the next year or so drive able.....but not painted....everything will be documented.
Though I will document the body work and painting.....to me that is less important than documenting the items within the chassis that must be repaired or replaced or restored...that cannot be bought and are type 4 specific.
Items not mentioned include things like....tail light seals and body grommets...that we have to make because they dont exist, dash restoration, tachometer installation and reprinting of the clock face, how to make factory level interior vinyl and cloth panels, headliner install and A, B, C pillar covering.....yes and heater rebuild.
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raygreenwood
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KTPhil 
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Poll/question: what type 4 specifc how to guides would help? |
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Sticky time!
Even though I don't own a Type 4, these cars fascinate me, and in some ways are similar to the Type 3, so the how-to's are helpful even for me.
But I sense that there is a crying need for a version sort of like the promised but never published Muir book, "How to Make Your Volkswagen Last Forever." Chapter One would be something like, "I towed it home, now what do I do first?" in order to avoid further damaging a car with so many NLA parts.
Later chapters can go over cosmetics and the various subsystems, sort of like Bentley does. Maybe add a performance section.
I think that would be a great service to the Type 4 folks. |
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Poll/question: what type 4 specifc how to guides would help? |
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| KTPhil wrote: |
Sticky time!
Even though I don't own a Type 4, these cars fascinate me, and in some ways are similar to the Type 3, so the how-to's are helpful even for me.
But I sense that there is a crying need for a version sort of like the promised but never published Muir book, "How to Make Your Volkswagen Last Forever." Chapter One would be something like, "I towed it home, now what do I do first?" in order to avoid further damaging a car with so many NLA parts.
Later chapters can go over cosmetics and the various subsystems, sort of like Bentley does. Maybe add a performance section.
I think that would be a great service to the Type 4 folks. |
I agree. There needs to be a "starter" document for those just finding one of these cars.
Bear in mind.....if "I" make this document......it will start with a disclaimer paragraph
As I have ranted long and hard......I WANT people to buy these cars and drive them.
But.....I have been through ALL of the time and date phases with these cars.
From when they were not even 10 years old....so some parts were still available.....but with few cars built and fewer cars still on the road by 1979 when I got my first 411....those parts were damn few and dealer only.
Through the crazy 10 year mark from last production....when dealer parts where destroyed and shipped back to Europe by the shipload.....and disappeared overnight
Through the fast drying up aftermarket for wear items like shocks and air fioters and specialty gaskets through the late 80s and early 90s....pre-internet.....when I travelled 20 states on business and stopped and inquired in every foreign parts house in every town I went into about parts.
To the early internet days of the early 2000s to now.......where along the way.....its clear there is virtually nothing save for cross over parts and some of the special NOS from Europe like Keverspecialist......all very limited.
The amount of total cars and spare parts manufactured....was far too small....and the internet boom came to late to have a viable market for the parts there were. They are gone.
As a note......this is what I try to get through to type 3 and bus people as well. Type 3s and type 2s are difficult to find parts for as well......but not nearly so as type 4.
This is because they made sooooo many of each and they were a viable money making market for VW and aftermarket for so long.......wherein NOS hard parts have remained through and into the internet age. So much is available for those with search skills and $$$.
But...with little NEW parts manufacturing....type 3 and type 2.....are approaching....soon....the same issues as type 4.
I see too many owners driving on cars that should be better worked out to save the good parts you can from being destoyed by attached bad parts. They drive with the false knowledge that somewhere of you look. ...parts are, readily available and its no big deal. There will come a year where supplies of certain parts will dry up so quick.....it will be a shock.
I try to get ANY new owner of a 411 or 412.....to NOT drive the car until its been gone through. ...unless it has known and documented history that a whole list of items have been checked, refurbed and set straight.
This is not really a safety issue. I can't tell you how many I have watched fail with an otherwise viable car.....because they do not realize that you cannot just go out and buy many parts....that can be destroyed by driving with certain parts worn.
My goal has always been...really......to restore my one unique well documented car to a bulletproof, survivable and driveable level.....if not perfect.....and along the way share the knowledge of the flaws corrected....and there were numerous. ....and make critical wear parts replaceable.......while sharing the items learned so others can avoid pitfalls that are just not fixable. Ray |
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Lars S
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Poll/question: what type 4 specifc how to guides would help? |
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| raygreenwood wrote: |
So I went through and collected all of the how to's and pictorials I have posted. I will start making a better list of how to's that still need to be done. If you get time and as you get time, take a look at some of these and let me know where you thing its unclear as to how something might be done.....missing pictures......poor pictures conflicting text etc. I will do what I can to clean them up.
Double steering damper Modification for 411 and 412
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=656691&highlight=
Type 4 and late type 3 gas flap cable rebuild tutorial
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=656055&highlight=
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Ray I Think this type of plain website listing is enough, maybe sorted into groups (likeEngine, Electrical etc). There should be no need for special software for this.
Each thread can easily, from within a web browser (with the Adobe plug-in activated), be converted to .PDF-format.
Linking to .PDF versions on your "own" site would make the it robust and you would have control over the whole thing.
Lars S
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Poll/question: what type 4 specifc how to guides would help? |
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| Lars S wrote: |
| raygreenwood wrote: |
So I went through and collected all of the how to's and pictorials I have posted. I will start making a better list of how to's that still need to be done. If you get time and as you get time, take a look at some of these and let me know where you thing its unclear as to how something might be done.....missing pictures......poor pictures conflicting text etc. I will do what I can to clean them up.
Double steering damper Modification for 411 and 412
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=656691&highlight=
Type 4 and late type 3 gas flap cable rebuild tutorial
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=656055&highlight=
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Ray |
Ray I Think this type of plain website listing is enough, maybe sorted into groups (likeEngine, Electrical etc). There should be no need for special software for this.
Each thread can easily, from within a web browser (with the Adobe plug-in activated), be converted to .PDF-format.
Linking to .PDF versions on your "own" site would make the it robust and you would have control over the whole thing.
Lars S |
I totally agree. A year ago or wo after looking into how cumbersome the software was.....I decided to stop worrying about that and just start posting documents i had already been working in.....in word document and PDF form. Far simpler. Ray |
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reluctantartist
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Poll/question: what type 4 specifc how to guides would help? |
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I am interested in the results in the following link.
Replacement parts from other cars....take a look
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=628248&highlight=
Did you ever get a chance to see if they work?
And thanks for doing this. If you have any info on the the automatic transmission such as just replacing seals, that would be great too.
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Poll/question: what type 4 specifc how to guides would help? |
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Here are three more part #'s that I was perusing in that Bosch pump list link...that will all work...if you can connect them. They fit BMW 635csi. Just another three pumps from 1000 or so that will supply the pressure and volume.
Bosch part #'s
69412
69414
69418
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