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rod_vw Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:02 pm Post subject: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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The time has now arrived to be considering exactly what the finish of the paint should be on our 1946 Saloon (1-063289).
The body colour was black before stripping confirmed by that showing under the engine bay seal and the birth certificate so I am in no doubt about the original colour but how matt (or not gloss) should it be?
The same question applies to the floor pan, investigation within the tunnel (centre backbone) confirms that it was green. Can anyone provide a paint colour code for this green? How matt (or not gloss) was this part of the car? Also did this green colour extend to the front beam, rear axle tubes and brake back plates etc?
All opinions will be considered so please let's hear them.
Thanks for your help.
Here are some pictures of the shell taken recently...
[/img] _________________ Rod,
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virtanen Samba Member
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Two Glove Boxes Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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The hood and apron look like great reproduction parts.
If they are were did you get the hood from? |
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rod_vw Samba Member
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kevm Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:21 am Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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Hi Rod,
Your car is looking great. I have original dark grey paint under the body to chassis seal on my 47, engine tin was also the same colour. So I will match the grey paint for the chassis and tin. General opinion when I asked a few people suggested the front beam, axle tubes etc would have been black so I was going with that.
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rod_vw Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2006 Posts: 416 Location: Shropshire, UK
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:54 am Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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Hi Kevin,
Thanks for the compliment, yes it's coming along well now and so it should after almost forty years in limbo!
The quality of the metalwork is all down to Steve Hook, meticulous to the last detail. _________________ Rod,
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usariemen Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:28 am Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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rod_vw wrote: |
The body colour was black before stripping confirmed by that showing under the engine bay seal and the birth certificate so I am in no doubt about the original colour but how matt (or not gloss) should it be?
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It looks not to be all matt.
There is some shine to it but itīs not all glossy.
The amount of mattness that feels right for you, you may have to find out by some tests.
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rod_vw Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:28 am Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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usariemen wrote: |
rod_vw wrote: |
The body colour was black before stripping confirmed by that showing under the engine bay seal and the birth certificate so I am in no doubt about the original colour but how matt (or not gloss) should it be?
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It looks not to be all matt.
There is some shine to it but itīs not all glossy.
The amount of mattness that feels right for you, you may have to find out by some tests.
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Thanks, this is the conclusion that I am coming to. I started this thread in the hope that someone had investigated the paint mix and could provide detail of their findings simply to reduce my 'trial and error' time.
Thanks again for your contribution, especially the picture. _________________ Rod,
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virtanen Samba Member
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rod_vw Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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I wonder what the worker with the gas welding torch is doing at the rear!
Is he the person responsible for the horrible welding in the engine bay of our '46?
And why was welding still being done on a car that seems to be in the final stages of construction? _________________ Rod,
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Mr. OGPaint Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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I was thinking the same thing about the torch guy. The guy in the lab coat at the table is smiling also. Maybe the photo is staged _________________ https://instagram.com/mr.ogpaint
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usariemen Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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rod_vw wrote: |
And why was welding still being done on a car that seems to be in the final stages of construction? |
I wondered about the guy as well.
When you look at them as many are smiling I think they just wanted to make up some action for the photographer. _________________ Master of my domain! |
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usariemen Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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Well, there has to be some shine.
But how much exactely?
You have to find out.
Hereīs more pics.
Tis one is cruising through London. Yours?
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56samba Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:19 am Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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Hallo Carsten,
thanks a lot for sharing this awesome photos with the community!
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mr magyar Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:25 am Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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Hi Rod,
I went to my local car paint shop to get some L21 Pearl grey paint mixed up for my '49 wheel rims. Surprisingly the paint code was on their database! After ten minutes the chap came out from the back of the shop where he was mixing the paint to show me a glass beaker of grey paint he was stirring. He said it was a bit of a strange mix with grey and bits of green, blue etc in it and also he said it's not 100% gloss but a kind of semi gloss finish. It looks like the proper paint code mix isn't just correct in colour but also in finish too. Maybe your black will display the same characteristics if you can get the proper '46 code?
Fantastic car by the way!
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DDub Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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From hanging around a body shop I've found that thinner, pressure, humidity,and spray technique all contribute to gloss or lack of. |
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mr magyar Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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In the photograph where they're lowering the body onto the chassis the only thing that looks black anywhere is the voltage regulator! And are those reduction boxes on the rear axle?
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virtanen Samba Member
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qwerty Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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I have had 2 painted - will check to see what the paint/flattener combination was and let you know. There were a few trials to get what we thought was right. I seem to remember is was some form of paint currently available for Mercedes bumpers....??
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rod_vw Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Paint finish and colour for November 1946 Split |
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mr magyar wrote: |
Hi Rod,
I went to my local car paint shop to get some L21 Pearl grey paint mixed up for my '49 wheel rims. Surprisingly the paint code was on their database! After ten minutes the chap came out from the back of the shop where he was mixing the paint to show me a glass beaker of grey paint he was stirring. He said it was a bit of a strange mix with grey and bits of green, blue etc in it and also he said it's not 100% gloss but a kind of semi gloss finish. It looks like the proper paint code mix isn't just correct in colour but also in finish too. Maybe your black will display the same characteristics if you can get the proper '46 code?
Fantastic car by the way!
Cheers,
Andy. |
Interesting Andy but unfortunately my paint code is only quoted as L41 on the birth certificate. As far as I know L41 is 'gloss' black and used over many years. I will ask the paint shop if there are any hints about the percentage of gloss in L41 mix though. _________________ Rod,
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